Litespeed

Its not hard to believe the pilots found it did not respond. They left it way too late to decide on go around. As Nev said, first bounce you hit the throttles, not after you have exhausted your safe options. Jet engines do not respond instantly. I think it was loose nuts at the controls, ie pilots stuffed the pooch.

Yes, the Mossie was covered in canvas over the plywood. Mainly to protect the ply and ensure a smooth surface. It took far less hours to build one then the smaller and slower fighters.

A beautiful speed machine. It is easy to see its child the Mosquito in its genes. I guess taxiing would have been a case of hope nothing is in the way. The massive circular airfields that were still common might have helped.

Nice V tail. Mate had one and loved it.

I like Jackeroo but will people mistake it for something about horse mustering and outback stuff?

Its not brain washing, it is a essential part of his development as a aviator. My son was the same with motorbikes, he would get on the tank for rides around the yard at 18 months. Was determined to now the lawn at 2. Keep it up, the force is strong in the young one.

You might be right on track there?. Alas the control problem could have been the knob at the stick.

They could hear a chop chop sound coming towards them. They looked up and saw a helicopter, the long endangered Seashite the greatest whirlygig ever invented in the back room thunderbox at Jackboot Johnny's used carp sales yard. And then they saw what looked like a Galah but was in fact the flying Abbott, resplendent in his best Sir Galahead knights armour with kevlar budgie smugglers on the outside. When he landed and ran up singing the worst rendition of "God Dave's a Queen" ever heard, the blokes realised they had their secret weapon. All they needed was some ammo and guns. Tonedeaf said no sweat, I have everything we need right here in my smugglers. A sudden look of defeat fell on Nobs face when he saw the what Tonedeaf meant. Then rage overcame Nob and he drew his sword and took aim at Tonedeafs smugglers. But alas he was buggered by the cunning use of kevlar undiedaks and the world's smallest target. Eye bolt ran over and held Nob by the hand with the sword, and asked what's wrong. Nob was saying, we ate not fighting ants for f...........

Nice Silvare The first one seems simple, a bit long and fast on the landing, banged it down , it bounced, but instead of been ready to go around had another try, it bounced, then apparently tried go around and them slammed it down and broke the left gear. Naturally given a torched airframe it is easy to say it didn't respond to go around. But was that before or after he was sliding on the wing? Weather was no issue. The second citation? Should in theory had enough runway at V1 decision time. He might have left it too late.

From experience people with degrees in business management, corporate governance, MBA's and such would be next to useless. Nothing they would have learnt at uni or the workplace that tends to require these qualifications would have any relevance to us. You end up with people who are taught to build empires or strip them apart for short term profit. They also come from a business culture that teaches ruthless capitalism and secrecy. These are attributes we must avoid at all costs.

Hi Brian, Thank you for taking the time to enlighten us on your experience. I hope that any comments made here have not been too upsetting, and apologize on behalf of fellow members if they have been. Unfortunately we sometimes jump to try and find insights in fatal and non fatal accidents. This can sometimes lead to speculations and comments that are unfounded and upsetting. This is not intentionally done, but happens in the flying community in general as we try to understand how such tragedies occur and by learning from them ensure safety in the skies for us all. You have my and I am sure other members greatest sympathies for the loss of your loved family members. If their is anything we can do to assist you, please feel free to ask. Yours sincerely Philip Nichol Aka Litespeed.

I know COBOL from uni days, but it was ancient even then. The modern COBOL is naturally the home planet of BATTLESTAR GALLACTICA.

The flying version of downtown Dehli Or Wentworthville.

Thanks Vizsla, But how does the need to gain such services as auditing or any other for that matter require matters of confidence? Or gaining revenue for the magazine? None of those functions require commercial in confidence nor should the organisation be in any activities that require it. Commercial in confidence deals with government bodies or regulators only serve to ensure a complete lack of scrutiny of contracts made and the obligations of the parties involved and financial risks and costs. They remove the ability to be accountable and even if things are correct and the best deal, it gives the impression of the complete opposite. The use of a tender process only requires you do not divulge the contents of tender bids until they are closed. I was referring to kirks concerns, but not so much the change of a word if it is clearly defamatory to a individual. However we must know the opinion and platform of the candidates. If the board does not agree with a stance taken by a candidate, that should not allow them to censor a candidates election page. The very notion that someone stands for election is they believe they can do a better job- assuming its not for a vendetta or power trip. Please note I have no particular grudge or emnity to any on the board nor do I wish to be pedantic. I merely want to see the success of our sport and for members to feel they are getting the best they deserve and are engaged including in elections. Cheers Phil

Indeed, some may at the very least have that impression.

Hi Ian, I like it. But I am with Tillmanr about been able to go straight to new posts. Even if for only those signed in. Would be helpful esp for fat fingered buggers like me when using a mobile. Phil

Thanks Vizsla, But that does not address the gag rule or inability to express a contrary opinion to that taken by the board in public. I am not suggesting the member can make unilateral directions. But merely to be able to have their view known. That does not effect the issue of defamation- reputational damage. Nor confidentiality where absolutely necessary. However your reference to competitive advantage has no bearing on the issue. They have no competition nor are they in business to make products or services that can be offered by another body. The very nature of the organisation is very different to a business irrespective of its newer status. They are a self regulation body that by law cannot be bypassed and must receive a fee to allow the legal right to fly. The have a monopoly with government permission. None of what you have stated should make a director feel gagged or even the impression they are. To do so damages the process of governance and reputation of the body. If the election rules and process are clear and transparent then why does a member seeking election find it unclear and the responses he was given unsatisfactory? Thanks Phil

Not wanting to get to fine points but.. . Why is it necessary for board members to be in public agreement with the decisions of the board. And not make comments? And what about having gag orders? There should be no gag orders nor should solidarity be a requirement. To be restricted in commenting here or anywhere else is completely unacceptable. Why no ability to have dissenting opinions? That would seem self defeating. If the board makes a stupid call and some members of the board disagree they should be able to express this. To have anything else means it is completely undemocratic to members and gags proper administration. The board are elected to represent the members not the board itself or CEO. They must be able to justify their decisions and should be open to dissent. Otherwise it becomes a dictatorship of those with the casting vote majority. Silence is not a solution. As far as the rules for elections go? I would be incredibly surprised if the board is legally allowed not to provide a full documentation on the process and rules for election of members. There are laws about this. If the AEC is been slack or does not care enough does not negate the law. Additionally there are other laws under the corporations acts and incorporated bodies dependant on structure.

Since when are councils only about the ratepayers? No they are the 3 rd arm of government and are duty bound to the residents and others who enter a local gov. area. Yes they get rates but they also get funding from state and fed governments and non rate sources. We all have to vote and thus they are responsible to us the people. Not just those that own property. Its a democracy not a rateocracy.

I would have thought given the surface it was landing on, you would want the gear up in case of any hidden surprises that might grab a gear leg. ?

No we want councils to look after the council area and provide infrastructure and services. The risk stuff is often bulldust to cover the real agenda they have. Risk is code in many cases " we are negligent and know it, but instead of been good, we will restrict your wellbeing "

I doubt even if he could would you dump the fuel. You would just provide a huge trail of flammable liquid and atomised fuel straight back to the aircraft. Far too close to the ground for dumping unless you want a dump and burn. But good job by the pilots.

Listen fellas and listen good.... I have enough trouble getting up in time and dropping my pants so you buggers can see in the day as it is.

So you saying it was Barnes Wallis? No it was Wing commander Kenneth Wallis. So I was wrong. Now that feels about normal.

You could be right. I have been wrong before and will again