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My bad, CASA will do the investigation, apparently.

Agreed Facthunter, Reminds me of Ralph Nader's book about pathetic car safety in the US of the 60's etc. "Unsafe at any speed". It should never have received certification irrespective of training. Did anyone pick up the fact the pilots manual only mentions MCAS in the glossary of terms, not how it works, how to overcome it or diagnose a issue with it. That's from a 737 pilot. That really says enough to me. Corporate manslaughter times 300 for management. At best but really second degree murder on mass. All 737 max should be pernamently grounded and scrapped. But what of the workers ? Sorry keeping a job is no excuse to allow people to die for aircraft sales. And the shareholders? Deserve total loss and chapter 11 bankruptcy, live by the sword, die by the sword. You can bet if it was Airbus that's what the yanks would demand.

Just remember expecting the rich to pay a Fair share is "the politics of envy". Just ask Scomo, we can afford $50 billion for the really well off to have tax cuts. But we can't afford to raise unemployment benefits so the jobless can actually eat food and have a bed to sleep on. That would cost $3 billion. That would be sheer socialism. Oh but we can pay job search providers more than the Newstart payment for every unemployed they see each fortnight for 30 mins. All while removing large numbers from the disability pension and saying they are capable of work by changing the rules. Presto the disabled have a miracle cure and the government saves $2oo a week, so they can now pay a job provider $250 a week to manage your job search. Absolute brilliance and since the NDIS saved money by refusing to process claims or just by changing the criteria for need. They have extra money for more tax cuts to the rich. Absolute genius.

So what part would the police know that is not apparent in the minimal facts presented? It was a training flight. They were practising procedures for forced landing. The engine stopped for real and CASA called it engine failure. Given it was a instructor, we will assume they quickly did all the correct checks of mags, fuel etc, which they had been practising prior to engine failure. They recognised the engine had failed. Thus it was a real event. They continued to aviate then communicate a ",mayday". They avoided all public ie didn't try to land in a house or road nor do anything silly like stall it when turning. They picked the best available landing spot that was in glide range. They ensured they cleared the houses and any possible obstacles like power lines. The managed the speed and decent rate to avoid landing too short or long of the intended landing spot. They did not become fixated with the tree in the paddock. They executed a perfect landing. They exited the aircraft once stopped. The instructor and student are unharmed. The aircraft is undamaged, subject to a careful check over and obviously determination of the cause of the engine failure. And rectification/ rebuild? Etc The ATSB will determine why the engine failed. Or are you assuming either the pilot in command made a significant error causing engine failure or the student did. And then told the police they caused the engine failure? They ran out of fuel and told the plod as such? Or that the plod due to his immense experience chasing cars, catching criminals and saving little old ladies from holigan bike riders. Was able to determine some fault in piloting or that he would have done better. Or maybe I didn't read where he was a aviation expert? Irrespective of the actual cause of failure, which is yet to be determined- they did exactly what they trained and executed it perfectly. Maybe plod expected them to repel the forces of gravity as well.

I agree, I will bet he new the area well and was side slipping to get it just where he wanted it. Officer plod might need a gentle slap on the pork chops for a dose of reality. Should have said " the flight instructor did a professional forced landing, ensuring the safety of the public and calmly landed safely in a paddock."

I would love to pay 50 cents in the dollar for $20 million income. But alas my income doesn't even come near paying tax. Bugger

Fugmeister mk1. Has special fugly adaptions to repel it from the earth.

OK I admit I would keep my polished beasty in a hangar. And it would have nice curves.

From my knowledge of friends, the services pretty much treat personnel as assets to be used,abused and desposed of when faulty. Not exactly known for a caring attitude to rehabilitation or treatment esp after leaving the service. I doubt the worry of a few claims- which are normally buried under paperwork is the real reason. In practice defence just ignores claims, hides problems and wait for the injured to give up or die. They effectively are a law unto themselves.

All really good aircraft have a polished finish. Paint is a waste of money, time and weight. I agree with wrap where needed. Easy to apply and remove without effecting the skin.

Some say a fine and maybe some jail time is required. I think a fine unless it is say upwards of 20 billion plus full compensation of all airline losses and a minimum of 5 million per death to the families and jail for manslaughter for those who signed it off. Unless this costs Boeing really big then it is all a joke. VW group have paid many billion over diesel gate and no one died. All 737 max should be scrapped as inherently unsafe for a passenger aircraft, it is not a fighter that needs computers for stability. Been too big to fail, is no excuse. All execs and shareholders should pay big time. They can bankrupt the company, under chapter 11. That way it survives, jobs survive and keeps making aircraft. But the owners of the company forfeit the value of shares. Otherwise any cost is considered just a business expense rather than reparations for manslaughter on mass.

Perfect for world's fastest Hummelbird

Should just be Nancy Bird Walton. We all know where it will be.

You could start up a Thrusters users and abusers group....... And call it.... In Thrust We Trust.

Yep, youse are all lucky buggers. Sydney is a morgue at night. Friday I went to catch a trail from city to wentworthville. No service only a express train after 11.30 pm. Have to get off at black town for a return service which they announce will be along in 2 hours 45 min. The bus to cover track work, wait one hour. Three hours to get home on a Friday night. F##kin hopeless.

You know it is a bit marginal when the pilot handbook quotes climb in... Feet per hour

"Curvature of the earth", that is funny. But they are not quite that bad. A Cherokee 140 on the other hand relies on the madly sweating pilot and passengers stink to repel from the ground. Even mother nature has a sense of smell.

As a motorcyclist of over 30 years, not all of us are idiots just like not all car or truck drivers are f**kwits. There is a huge difference between a crashed bike and the gyro. If you came across a bike accident where the frame came apart and the headstock and thus the front forks and wheel separated from the bike whilst in use and didn't occur from hitting a solid object, then it would be similar. It is incredibly rare for frame failure to cause a bike crash. If it was to happen you can be sure it would be a very big deal and the model would be grounded instantly. Modern bike frames are extremely strong and very overengineered. Just like in a aircraft accident it is very apparent if a frame breaks apart to cause a accident. Akin to a wing falling off. And lane splitting increases the traffic flow and reduces travel time greatly for a bike. It also means you are in front of the traffic which is the safest place to be, given the tintop drivers looking at GPS, playing with radios, bloody phones, doing makeup etc. If you drive and don't like bikes been faster in traffic from lane splitting, simple get a bike.

No Phil, its what happens when strapped in the seat and you decide not to keep flying the aircraft. It is because no matter how much you try, you can not kiss your are goodbye.

Also they obviously hit the water, so any injuries may have stopped them getting out and then drowned. Sad

I reckon at that size you might be a bite o. The heavy and wide side.

Well said Nev. Aviate, Aviate, Aviate.. .......stare at your bellybutton after you get out if the aircraft.

Only problem is the Chinese would take control to protect their "assets and personnel" and fill it with fighters and missiles. Then we would discover some pollies allowed that in the contracts

In the end he did well, and looks survivable. Looked like there were better spots though like a road alongside one of the fields. But that is easy say after the fact. Looks more like a modern version of a thruster.

Damn that is a good parking job Just needs a buff and polish. .....