Litespeed

In my family who started on the land as sheep farmers, any dog that had a "taste" was immediately put down. Once they have tasted they will revert to genetic programming and do it again. And can not be trusted with livestock or children. Sad but true. But you could always test the dog to check. Here is a idea for the kiddies.................. https://www.google.com.au/search?q=child+in+sheep+suit&rlz=1C1FGGD_enAU609AU610&espv=2&biw=853&bih=473&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CBsQsARqFQoTCIvDq5q8r8gCFUcxpgodVpgIlA#imgrc=dPP5nlWGr852JM%3A Might not be popular with the parents though.

Dear Admin, As we have requested - please change the title to something that reflects the actual known circumstances of the incident. Ie: Jabiru has forced landing cause under investigation. This is a fairness issue. And not a form of censorship. Even if it was not a well known manufacturer will ongoing issues with CASA, which it could be interpreted as unwarranted. The continued misrepresentation of issues with Jabiru or any other manufacturer, does a great disservice to us all as sport pilots and to RAAus and this very forum site. Also unfairly targets owners of Jabiru aircraft and the value of their aircraft. We have been previously been told to not be too political due to ability to be sued- the same goes for this issue. And is far more relevant to our sport. Think of all of us, our sport, our aircraft, our RAAus and your precious website. Then think about Jabiru, all they have done for our expanding sport. The title smells of witch hunt. And it portrays us all very badly.

For the sake of the truth and the undeserved attention such a title creates can we have the thread name changed. Please ADMIN.

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Bugger, I stand corrected but as the facts do not represent the truth as I wish it. I will take the do a Abbott and make my own truth. Besides this looks much cooler and sounds correct.

Yes, similar size in some respects but a lot lower speeds and naturally a lower MTOW as no pilot needed. For me I would build a cri cri and have lots of fun. specs for 40% Beaver Scale: 1:2.5 (40%) Wingspan: 5.85 m Length: 3.69 m Height: 1.10 m Empty Weight: 87.1 kg Takeoff Weight: 91.3 kg Speed range: 20 to 60 mph Radio: Futaba FX-30 2.4 GHz Engine: Moki S400 5-cylinder radial (4-stroke gasoline engine) Cri Cri Crew: one Length: 3.9 m (12 ft 10 in) Wingspan: 4.9 m (16 ft 1 in) Wing area: 3.1 m2 (33 sq ft) Airfoil: Wortmann 21.7 Empty weight: 78 kg (172 lb) Max takeoff weight: 170 kg (375 lb) Powerplant: 2 × JPX PUL 212 single-cylinder piston engines, 11 kW (15 hp) each Propellers: 2-bladed Performance Maximum speed: 220 km/h (137 mph; 119 kn) Cruise speed: 185 km/h; 115 mph (100 kn) Range: 463 km; 288 mi (250 nmi) Service ceiling: 3,700 m (12,139 ft) Rate of climb: 6.6 m/s (1,300 ft/min) Wing loading: 55 kg/m2 (11 lb/sq ft)

After 30 plus years of riding, I could not recommend most bike engines. Even with a gearbox most are designed for a constantly changing rev rate not what a aircraft needs. But and the is always a but- the classic flat twin BMW motors are quite suitable. They do not have to rev hard for good power and are built to sustain high speeds for long distances. No they are not the lightest or most powerful but are damn near bullet proof. The older BMW r series had a orange line for maximum sustained revs for long periods and a redline for maximum revs about 7 % higher. They were the first bike engines to be designed for sustained revs all day long, day after day after day. They were engineered to a standard not a price point. At 75% power, fast cruise for a aircraft or road bike they will do it for a easy 1000-1500hrs. Just service it well and don't expect it to be a race bike engine. They are push rod and simple to work on, the opposite of almost any other bike engine. The other been a Moto Guzzi engine very similar inside but V twin and crap electrics. Mechanical failure is almost unheard of and is user/mechanic caused not the design or inherent quality of the beast. Removal and replacement of a head and barrel in the bike is a 30-60 minute job- that is after a huge amount of Kms. The BMW R series air cooled and later much more powerful oil cooled injected motors are very popular in europe and are found on all sorts of aircraft. A good motor and box combo for a aircraft is a small fraction of the cost of a rotax. And a rebuild cost peanuts compared as well. The four cylinder BMW K series (injected) is a bit heavy but is known as the "brick" and if cared for is also almost impossible to kill. At 300,000 kms they might be down on power a little but still just keep going. Even though a four cylinder they are very punchy in torque and only rev to 7300. Very under-stressed and the opposite of almost all other bike engines. They are designed to be easily serviced not a nightmare like most. They come from a period when Germany had a gentlemans agreement of no more than 100hp, so designed for tough and smooth not next years marketing headline. The BMW bike engines have the big bonus of a separate gearbox so are a relatively easy match to a rotax or similar gearbox. The crank is hefty and the bearings particularly the output side are very robust. Strong enough to take direct prop loads, not that you would as a gearbox is the go. The R1 yamaha is a lovely bit of kit but is race orientated and the last thing I want turning a prop. Remember you life depends on the engine to keep turning not just outright power for a short buzz.

So once again the strength of a jabbawocky saves a pilots life

Potential bargain there. Tough as nails.

EADS did a electric one. Must faster than petroleum. Due to drag. The canopy needs the height for av.Joe to fit.

With the exception of being on fire, nothing is more useless than fuel on the ground, if you are in the air. Always carry as much as you can in your tank. Plus some of the red plastic cans empty. They are better to carry and don't weigh much. What aircraft is it?

True but might have to trailer it to a very close airfield, then fly in. But bugger it, I volunteer.

Love that Cri Cri. But the range would suck for about 15 minutes.

I would go big enough to fly. But he has a much bigger market and charges just as much.

Bex You quote cars but bikes jap crap. Not a chance. But did like the vfr if someone else owned it. And yes us BMW riders (wing nuts) are a breed apart. Remember the alpine rally and seeing dicks on trailies riding through tents at 2am pissed. lucky no one died. But loved leaving in morning at speed on the BMW and catching the cookies on the dirt. Poor mates on ducks shitting themselves at 20kms/hr. That's after they got them started. Stones green steam and a good herbal smoke, great times. The LeMans had crap switch blocks that would make Lord Lucas prince of darkness proud. Replaced with Yamaha stuff. Plus Laverda bars and a duck 860 seat and BMW headlight. The original seat was like a plank of wood.

Very nice. But what if someone made a all metal rc aircraft that is just like the real one- you know solid rivets, no fake stuff, no balsa and all parts made like a real full size? I present the 40% scale Beaver check this puppy out.....................pure magic http://www.mhm-scale-aircraft.com/menue03.php?search=F0 Watch the full photo sequence. lovely.

I only have five words to say to you motorcycle Philistines..................... Bavarian Motor Works (R100CS) and Moto Guzzi (Lemans). They are real bikes for grown men, both had over 200,000 kms when I sold them and both would leave a Dramah or any other similar period Ducati for dead. That is assuming the Duck lasted past the first corner. My mates had em and they were a great way to make money for the dealer/mechanic. At 40k they were tired and about to spit large bits on the road. Same with the 500-600 Pantahs. I rode lots of ducks but could always beat em on the BMW or the Guzzi. Both the Guzzi and BMW were pushrod but still revved harder and only needed valve guides and clutch replacement after 120,000 k. That was three rebuilds on the duck if the owner was real lucky. And Gowanloch made a fortune fixing the ducks- enough to retire to Italy. I even had a Pantah 600 with 9k on it after a rebuild go bang big time halfway through a bend. Total destruction of the engine/box. Bastard thing tried to kill me. Modern Ducks are far better but still a money sink at the workshop. Financial masochists run old ducatis Real Masochists ride Moto Guzzi Lemans Cruising the Snowy mountains Hwy at 170 with missus on back and loaded with gear was the forte of the r100cs, and leaving the pussies on Ducks and Hondas behind, then flogging when you get to Brown Mountain= Priceless.

Poor bugger should get a OBE and a Distinguished Service Medal for services to Manhood.

Are there other aircraft than Cessna? Nah, everything else is a winged antigravity device.

It truly is hard to reinvent some things completely. A wheel is still a round thing (generally). A piston engine, still has pistons- just some are weirder than some from our modern view. It is what we are used to. The big gains are as Pylon stated materials used or by computers allowing far more accurate combustion. But keep in mind the search for a better mousetrap has had many candidates and the old style is still the best.

Very sad irrespective of the circumstances, whether by accident or intent. We should not rush to judgement though- we were not there nor do we actually have a full account of the details. My thoughts to the family, especially the wife who was distraught. IF it is by intent, a good reminder that we can all suffer from our personal "Black Dog" or other insufferable medical or personal circumstances. It is important though that we do not judge him, as we do not know his personal circumstances. If anyone feels they are at risk for any reason- please seek help. Whether it be a family member, a friend, a medical professional or Life Line. Some may find it far easier to talk to some one who they do not know- this is completely natural. May everyone fly safely and look after yourself. Phil AKA Litespeed

A fool and his money is easily parted

Well if that is like the "Skycrapper" it does not bode well. Does that also mean it will be massively overpriced, very late and unloved?

Yes, that is a really weird yoke cum stick. Maybe called a "stoke"

ME I am around the 75kg and 5 foot 8inches. Not underfeed