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I follow a particular guy on youtube training at Moorabin (C172) and in it he deploys flaps on the turn and levels out to circuit height (1000ft) on commencement of downwind. Same AC, different training, different instructors/institutions. But generally an interesting read on what everyone does how why what functions are applicable depending on AC.

I'm taught 1st stage of flap on base, 2nd and if required 3rd stage on final.

Very interesting publication in deed. Thanks for that :)

Fantastic video!! I tried googling for an answer to my question of the wind limits on the R44. Would it be correct to say surface winds of 25Kt and gusts 10KT+? There were a couple of different responses.

"There is no way to relax from these helicopter noises. One of these days one will fall inside a neighborhood full of houses and kill residents. Then, someone will take some action....but it'll be too ate. They fly so low and close to the houses that one would think we are being bombed....It's absolutely outrageous." That's bloody outrages! This bloke probably wants to prohibit the use of sirens after hours being used by emergency vehicles too. Too loud, too bright, too fast.

Purchased mine yesturday. The local newsagents shelf was looking aviation bare for a while. Quiet an enjoyable read over a sangga and coffee. Apparently they only order 3 of the mag and they do disappear off the shelves within weeks. Great job to those behind this publication.

Corruna Downs, ex WW2 airstrip, is just outside of Marble Bar. A great day trip to go exploring. Lots of old steel bits, quarries, bullet casings, very long ungraded yet firm runway. People over the years have helped themselves to the relics. A guy in MB operating his own gold mine managed to salvage a couple of thick metal stationary forklift type of thing whereby it was once used to heave up aircraft that crashlanded at the strip. There they'd conduct the necessary repairs. I have pics but the file size were too large to upload.

Nice video Mark. I liked your rwy christening. Anymore uploads coming our way?

AOPA fully supports Save Our Secondary Airports: http://aacci.org.au/index.php/news-articles/74-aopa-fully-supports-save-our-secondary-airports Here is a piece taken from the Archerfield Chamber of Commerce website, President AOPA: “Just a few years ago, naming Bankstown Airport as an example, GA was thriving – the airport was rated the busiest in the southern hemisphere.” says AOPA President Col Rodgers “In those days you’d be hard pressed to find a parking spot for your aircraft once you landed. Photographs from those days show at least 250-300 aircraft parked on the airport. These days you could walk around with your eyes shut and probably not run into an aircraft!” “AOPA believes that a once viable training airport has been downgraded in favour of property development,” said Rodgers. “Management at Bankstown also want heavy freight, I wonder what local residents will say when the quiet hum of small training aircraft is replaced by heavy four-engined aircraft, even jets, operating around the clock!!” “The costs imposed by airport management make basing an aircraft at Bankstown unviable. This is not just a loss of aircraft to flying schools; it is a loss of revenue for the refuellers, the maintainers and even Airservices Australia because aircraft have been lost to Bankstown. The facilities at the airport also have a major influence on servicing and maintenance of aircraft used by Aerial Ambulance, Royal Flying Doctor, Police, Emergency services and other public entities. This impacts on local jobs and apprenticeship opportunities as well as businesses in and around the airport. There are hundreds more aircraft missing from here, I wonder where they have gone??” “Airport management cannot deny our information that puts the decline in aviation fuel sales at Bankstown over the last four years at an average of 50%” said Rodgers. AOPA is deeply concerned at the impact of a failed Government policy, that of handing the management of airports to private operators. AOPA does not believe these operators have the interests of aviation or the local community at heart and see the airport simply as land to be developed. Airports are affected across Australia; Jandakot, Archerfield, Moorabbin, Camden and Bankstown are just the beginning. All Australian airports are potentially at risk; property developers see only dollars, not national assets. AOPA is calling on Minister Truss to intervene and set stringent rules for rent increases, land reuse and runway closures. “We only want to see runway closures happen with the full agreement of local operators at any airports, the loss of the North-South runway at Bankstown was much more than a land grab, it is simply dangerous and may result in a loss of life,” said Rodgers. “It also significantly detracts from the use of Bankstown as a training airport.” “We don’t think DoTARS looked at the issues properly when the program was first developed and we have had advice to that effect from Government sources in the past. What we want now is a stop to airport destruction and a rewriting of the rules by which they are governed.” “The Government has called for an action agenda, well this is the first item’ said Rodgers. “This needs fixing now or Australia will be denied the benefits of a thriving aviation sector. Look around Sydney and count the number of golf courses, racecourses, parks, nature reserves and playing fields, then count the number of GA airfields – only three, and one (Hoxton Park) is closing in 2008.” The Bankstown Airport situation clearly illustrates the lack of a national cohesive Aviation Infrastructure policy at both Federal and State levels. General Aviation is a core part of a major industry that has immense community benefit, and should not be left at the mercy of short-term financial gain. The prominent aviatrix, Nancy Bird Walton, is also concerned at the apparent attack on general aviation, and is prepared to lend her support to any action that will foster and promote general aviation. We feel it is now time for people to stand up and be counted in regard to preservation of our national assets. For More Information Col Rodgers President [email protected] [email protected]" A common theme in all this...no blody mainstream media or political will. Who gives a shite attitude.

"c*�r" ?? Me no get it.

Disgusting! But hey, the Council will soon profit from any housing development and you should be seeing a new airfield being built neraby to replace the one they stole. New facilties, new tarmac, maybe an airside watering hole.

Yes, it is the same AC. My co-learner concurrs the training method being applied by our FI. He was verballed because he was doing less than 70kts on decent and was instructed,"....i don't want to see that again. I want to see 80!" But then of course one would need to be at a slower but definately controllable speed at the point of flaring/ditching that machine on water. The altitudes we were training at were at varying heights, at 1,000ft to 3,500ft

We need a high profile individual like Dick Smith for example to lobby government even harder and bring our concerns to the people. I've listened to him on a couple of occassions on Plane Crazy Down Under but the majority of listeners are aviators so the message doesn't get throug to the wider community. A program such as 4 Corners to ask the basic questions to those idiots who CHOSE to live beside an airport yet complain that there's noise, "so, you purchased a block of land beside RWY 36, yet you claim you weren't aware it was a runway for airplanes...?". What about RFDS? If they get anouther season of programmes out I reckon they should incorporate something about how VITAL our airstrips are. Anyone listen to Macca on Sundays, ABC ? Let's ring him next time there's an airshow or fly-in. Invite him and his crew to yours. I'm a facebook friend of Bernie Finn (Vic Stat Govt) but only 'cause he is a friend also of 'Save Essendon Airport' facebook page. So perhaps he is someone also we could canvass. A while ago I emailed Clambacks & Hennessey at Bankstown enquiring as to how their fight to survive was going and received the following from Amminta: "Well Chris - thank you for your concern! – it is a huge and long story. We ground them to a standstill over a period of 18 months and finally the court date was for Monday July 19. Then on the Friday 16 July at about 0930 our solicitor called us and said, they, Bankstown Airport had written a letter proposing conditions for a compromise but that our solicitor and their solicitors could not agree on anything between 0900 – 0930 and that the best thing to do would be for us to ring the NEW boss and ask for a meeting to see what he had to say. So we did – he came over at 1200 and by 1400 we had hammered out a compromise which was what we wanted 18 months before! So after many thousands of dollars on both sides sanity prevailed and an agreement was reached and approved in the court on Wednesday 21 July and stamped by the Judge. It was sad in that the battle was not fought in the court as it had ramifications everywhere but the fact remains is that our costs were by then around $150,000 (which had been helped by donations from individuals within the industry and much work by many people) but if it had gone through to an appeal it would have cost another $350,000 which would have sent us onto skid row literally. Justice is for the wealthy only! – BAL’s costs overall to that date were around $390,000 we were lead to believe. They threw everything at us to try and psyche us out and never went anywhere as far as we could make out without 2 solicitors a Senior QC and Middle QC and a Junior QC. Needless to say their lawyers told our lawyer that there was no one at Bankstown Airport on that Friday morning who could make any decisions. So I just picked up the phone and rang and the guy who answered in person. So that is how much their representatives wanted to fix the problem – it was for them a gravy train it seems. To raise the further amount had it gone on to appeal - would have been nearly impossible. So now we have a new lease. There are many ramifications that the Government should be held account for and this one I only learned about last week in that apparently there is no freehold land in the ACT. (This at the moment is hearsay). However the Government has never intended that they would resume the houses! – This has only just come to my notice this week by some people fighting in Perth who rang me. That is exactly the case as at all the Government airports (no freehold land) – they were to roll over the leases whilst ever the people who built the hangar wanted to keep going, but that ultimately (this is the slight difference between the airport people and ACT people) would ultimately gain our hangars – that was writ in our leases. So there we are – more cans of worms opened up if anyone wishes to follow it. The www.aviationadvertiser.com.au were just such an enormous help through out the campaign – and they were the first on the spot in the form of Ben Morgan their proprietor. The NORMAL papers would not touch it with a barge pole because of advertising revenue and other perceived problems – so much for the press. So much for Greed. Bankstown is now a former shadow of itself, with a huge number of airplanes gone to greener pastures and out of 19 fixed wing training schools of 10 years ago there are 5 left and those five are finding it tough! We are one of them. Again thanks for your interest." The problem is, I think, that we need to be a collective group and do this en mass. Chris

I wouldn't turn steeply at low level either. I've been taught to limit your bank angles to no more than 30 degrees left/right arc, place the aircraft into wind direction if able and try to maintian 80kts. I know other guys are taught to limit the air speed to 60 Kts so not sure why the difference.

Re above video material, I did a HUET just to fly as pax at night on board a chopper to a vessel at the anchorage. The trainining was invaluable...the experience was terrible. I hated being submerged in water like that!

Here's something you might like: Funny side of a pilots interview. Chris

Thanks for comments :)

Hi, I gotta question about VNE. Would you need to re-calibrate the VNE of your aircraft after so many years or would the difference between the VNE then and the VNE now be so minimal that it need cause no alarm or requirement to take action? For example, all C172's from the factory floor at 1967 let's say would have the same VNE. But given 40 odd years or so would the wing load factor therefore alter becuase of the envirionment the AC has been subjected to? Thanks, Chris

Yep, she's the one. I've never flown there but have driven the track (pretty damn good road when it's graded) and the area is superb and expenisve.

Flyt-in resort: El Questro, WA. Walk? or rdaio for pick up (122.7) Cape Leveque, WA. Restaurant and corner store within walking distance.

Hi Raindrops, am interested to know how it went. Did you do the 4 week full time course? What made you consider doing this option rather than via correspondence they they are running (i think it has started).

ooooops! I think I meant 15min if you run

JG, Auski RH is a great spot. Parraburdoo has a sealed airstrip and it's about a 15 min walk to the towns pub. It wasn't on your google map but thought I'd let ya know.

I purchased a Pilots Guide To WAAirstrips but you can get one for each State and Territory in binder paperback format or an online version using google earth. I think something similar has been done on this forum but it may have been only ERSA listed fields?

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