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COOTE - AUBREY McINNES Passed away peacefully on 27th August 2017 at Geelong. Funeral details at Your Tributes | COOTE - AUBREY McINNES First class guy. One of my original instructors back in the '60s when he was CFI at Grovedale, Vic. He taught me aerobatics in the early '70s and formation later. Not that long ago he took my aeroplane up for some aerobatics. He gave me my RAA certificate when he was instructing at Barwon Heads a while back.

They may want to see it but you have no obligation to have it with you on the flight. That will change when the draconian Part 91 is signed by the GG. They used to quite a few years ago on the day when everyone flew north for the races, their focus seemed to be on big singles etc where aft cg was a potential hazard and they'd just weigh the whole aeroplane loaded.

A couple of examples of what can go wrong when there is plenty of height but the initial actions just made things worse instead - one of the hazards of being an instructor. The Cirrus Investigation: AO-2014-083 - Loss of control involving a Cirrus SR22, N802DK, near Katoomba, NSW on 10 May 2014 And the Sportscruiser NTSB Prelim: LSA Checkout/Stall Series Turns Into Spin | Aero-News Network

There's a large fine for using an approved source for weather used in planning a flight - I hope you know a good lawyer ...

They were giving away free barista coffee during the trade days so I got my money's worth. Even better, I didn't talk to any CASA staff .....

Prior to Part 61 the instructor rating course required pretty much the same spin training although a requirement for the endorsement was not written into the rules. When CASA took an interest in initial instructor rating competencies perhaps 5 years ago they took a keen interest in this. I'd do that training for instructor trainees who already had a spin endorsement and when CASA rocked up to do the test they'd demand to see an additional spin endorsement signed off by myself (back then it was just a logbook entry). A bit harsh, there are some other good things in Part 61

yep, I should've put my last post in the other thread. Hopefully there is a report as the pilot's story explaining the mayday calls and the data extracted from the electronic gizmos should be very enlightening.

Not necessarily. Unintentional spin entries that I demonstrate are well on their way to a flat spin from the go. Even that is gentlemanly compared to a botched stall turn in a Pitts.Perhaps the best example for this thread is the Grumman AA-1 which will go flat without aggravation by the pilot in a couple of turns - check out the NASA videos. The Pazmany PL-2 is similar. Both are unrecoverable. Good. An exercise I include is a stall in a sideslip with full rudder.

I'd be interested in your feedback on that point regarding my own posts please? I'm pretty sure that Roundsounds, for one, does not need a refresher and I will be so bold as to state that I do not (I'm a flight examiner for instructors who want to teach spins).

I'm always very careful with my choice of words when describing spin recovery. I encounter too many pilots who think that the stick is moved forward, after the rotation is stopped, to unstall the wings. CASA's Flight Instructor Manual states:“To recover, first ensure that the throttle is closed, ailerons neutral and the direction of turn identified. This is followed by application of full opposite rudder. After a brief pause ease the control column forward progressively until the spinning stops. Centralize the rudder and ease gently out of the resulting steep dive, levelling the wings.” The FAA's Airplane Flying Handbook expands on that and is significantly different regarding the use of elevator. eg "In the absence of the manufacturer’s recommended spin recovery procedures and techniques, the following spin recovery procedures are recommended. ..... The controls should be held firmly in this position. When the stall is “broken,” the spinning will stop." One would expect that, but not always the case as shown by the Chipmunk spin accident a few years ago. CASA's requirement for a spin endorsement is limited to the specific type that you do the training in. So, for example, if you do the spin training in a Cessna 152 then don't assume that you know enough to recover from a spin in a Decathlon, Chipmunk, Pitts or Zlin .....

An interesting table from the Sunshine Coast Aero Club showing elements of a pilot certificate course to consider including optional spin training at https://www.sunshinecoastaeroclub.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Flight-Training-RPC-Course-Comparison.pdf (I hope they don't run afoul of CASA's new definition of aerobatics. The list is missing a few elements of Part 61 stalls but included an important one which is not in Part 61.)

I see many calls for RAA instructors to require spin training, the same as GA instructors, which seems very sensible to me. Agreed. When I learnt to fly I disliked stalls and my instructor offered to demonstrate spins and I declined. CASA's new Part 61 a few years ago expanded on the stall exercises so if any student pilot is not getting the full set then they have such a hole. These exercises can quite easily result in an inadvertent spin so the instructor requires those skills above.A short upset recovery course would improve a pilot's awareness, skills and confidence - no need for spin training however it should include stalls in skidded turns which, if correct and prompt action is not taken, will result in an aggressive spin entry. Too many engine failures result in a stall, spin, crash, die .... it shouldn't be that way.

just to clarify: no suggestion that it was intentional, if indeed there was a spin at all. true of aeroplane which is not approved for intentional spins.Just heard that the instructor is out of intensive care.

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Suggest that you spend some time with glider pilots. My only experience is with the old Airtourer which has springs for pitch trim therefore springs give it additional stick force gradient and stick force per G. Husky also has springs for its trim system with its joystick. Some good general info on stick forces in NASA CR-1975 Riding and Handling Qualities of Light Aircraft - A Review and Analysis.

"spinning" was prominent in one report but not even mentioned in the other. If I assume both are correct then perhaps spinning up higher and recovered from the spin, anyway, we will know more before long, just that I take a keen interest in spinning having known a few who were killed near that spot.

Channel 9 video.

sad to say, nope.

They're supposed to be 500 ft AGL, my guess is that they have no idea of the elevation at that road junction.

right in the middle of the aerobatic area, over the years a number of aircraft have spun in nearby you need to read the fine print .... photo caption

You mean the fake ABC news which is where I see those words following your link.Text at No Cookies | Herald Sun is consistent with discussion with colleagues.

And if subject to CASA's annual limit on flying hours it is not a lucrative salary either way.

You're paying $100/hr for the time the engine is running so time on the job is maybe twice that much plus, at a school, the instructor only gets a fraction of that.