Macca274

What is it that you people want? Every Board Meeting, phone conversation and chat to be put on YouTube? Printed in full, verbatim and published online? Get a grip? In my opinion, this campaign is either personal or provocative. Which is it?

Y NOW we're getting somewhere...........

Maybe you read this part of a previous post? (or maybe not). "We have members with boundless talents and experience. Perhaps there is an opportunity to utilise those talents with a bit of "Pro-Bono" advice, a second opinion, a list of Members with various talents, as we have lists of L.A.M.E. with various qualifications noted. A voluntary list available only to the Board and not for general publication."

As Corporal Jones used to say to Captain Mainwaring, "They don't like it up 'em sir" He also ran around like a headless chook shouting "Don't panic, don't panic"! Just an obsevation, Alf! Ignore away, but I am as entitled as you to put forward comments regarding the R.A.A., or do you pay double dues to give you more say than others? Ascerbic? yes, a curmudgeon? most definitely, allowed to come on here and deliver a metaphorical boot up the arse to some? well it works for many others, why not me? There are some here who I will never agree with and others who are of a more accepting disposition. Following a crowd can often lead to unforseen destinations. I don't enjoy flying in cloud either, it can ruin a perfectly good day very quickly and has a tendency to make one lean one way or another. I much prefer to see where I'm going. Crowd, cloud, in any other language, they may indeed sound the same!

Fortunately, dodo, I entered this discussion with the intention of lobbing a few grenades. When one does so, one must be prepared to have a thick skin. I do, and therefore on this occasion, I am prepared to ignore your imputation and am happy that it has been deleted. Here's to happy days. Macca

There are times, dodo, when I simply can't be arsed - this is one of them.

Oh I was never bullied, Winnie - EVER!

Yeah - I know what you mean.

Bit of anger management planned in the near future, Windsor?

The hostage situation was, of course, analagous. Can there be any doubt that the members of the Board do not at this time feel so?

I think not, Turbo, they captured attention as they were designed to do and initiated a firther thought process which in itself is valuable. At times, the role of a "devils advocate" can inspire alternative channels of thought. Shoot the messenger by all means, but in the end - someone has to clean up the mess. Mop and bucket doesn't suit your image. :-)

Regarding my previous comments. They were (in my view) offensive and were fully intended to be so. The intention was to implant a seed in the minds of many when it comes to open and public criticism. It hurts and sometimes it hurts deeply. Not that it matters to any here, but I have personal experience in being grossly and unjustifiably scorned, humiliated and almost ruined until I was finally totally exonerated and other parties brought to account. For any offense, hurt or humiliation my comments caused, I of course unreservedly withdraw and apologise, but injustice, my friends is something that I have fought against since a very young age. My point is simply this. As I explained in my introduction, my life's work has been in negotiation, problem-solving and troubleshooting. e.g. One of the "tools" is to allow the hostage taker to view a situation from the point of view of the hostage by making he or she a hostage themselves. This applies in business at corporate level all the way down to the coalface. The state of affairs at R.A.A. is less than satisfacory. On that point we are in glorious agreement, but what saddens me and I say so with all sincerity, is this public airing of our laundry. How did we arrive at this situation? What do we do to resolve it? How can we avoid a recurrence? These, I believe are the questions that have to be addressed, but without the finger-pointing and what is know known as "the blame game". In answer to some of your questions, yes, I did read all of the posts. Yes, I do recognise that former Board Members are concerned and yes, I do understand the concerns that have been presented. I just cannot help but feel that this public stoush is demeaning to all of us. We have members with boundless talents and experience. Perhaps there is an opportunity to utilise those talents with a bit of "Pro-Bono" advice, a second opinion, a list of Members with various talents, as we have lists of L.A.M.E. with various qualifications noted. A voluntary list available only to the Board and not for general publication. There are many ways to resolve the issues, but I appeal to you to cease and desist from open publication of "legal opinion" or "crimes" or issues involving Administration Tribunals. It really sets a dreadful tone and what of the feelings of the incumbents? They are, after all people like any of the rest of us. Think also of the future. Who the hell would be game to put themselves forward knowing that they would be subjected to this form of scrutiny? I, for one, would run a bloody mile before puting myself through the wringer when at heart I was only trying to help. Anyway, enough for the moment. Seasons greetings to one and all. I'll be spending tomorrow doing some work on the plane with Jack. He's me dog. Cheers Macca

No, you may not! Vitriol suggests bitterness. There is no bitterness in my thought process. If anything, pity would probably better describe my sentiment. My comments pale given the invective that has been levelled towards those who have given of themselves in an effort to help our association. This public forum is not the place to conduct a Kangaroo Court. It is demeaning at best.

Well Turbo, I took your advice and although it took a deal of my time, I did read through the extensive posts and have, after due consideration, taking into account my own previous posts, come to my own conclusions. Seldom, if ever have I observed a more spiteful amateurish campaign by a rabid mob of wanna-be's than this. You ought to strip down and take a long hard look at yourselves. Armchair critics and pub lawyers is all I see here. What an utterly despicable lot of self-centred would-be-if-we could-be big-mouthed no back-up performers. PUT YOUR NAME ON A BALLOT PAPER rather than on a petiton. TALK IS CHEAP and cheap shots are even cheaper. What a bloody disgrace. We have people who have the dedication to put themselves forward to give of their own time in order to continue the spirit of our shared passion and they are confronted with THIS OUTRAGEOUS CAPAIGN AGAINST THEM? Quite frankly, you don't deserve the efforts that these elected representatives contribute. Here's a scenario to consider. Our elected reps resign - declare all positions open and declare that they will not stand for the vacancies. WHo among you will stand? YOU? YOU? or YOU? No - I didn't think so. Happy to make the bullets and have somebody else fire them... YOU OUGHT TO BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES! Did any one of you call the office and offer to help process the backlog of registrations - ANYONE - JUST ONE - offer an hour of your precious time when you spent so much time on this blog composing your useless pearls of wisdom? I doubt it. TYPICAL - of any club be it golf bowls or flying - "THOSE WHO CAN - DO! Those who can't - whine and whinge. IF you can do better, then DO SO. if not then leave it to those who are trying. What a whining bunch of ********************* My hope is that I never meet any of you!

Entirely your prerogative, turbo.