flying dog

Ian, When reading a thread at the top of the screen, there are options for thread subscription or opting out. It would/may be nice if it was also at the bottom too. If I am subscripted and have read the last page, there is no "opt out" there. I have to scroll back to the top to get to it. No big, but just a suggestion.

On the news at 18:00 (evening) there is a claim that one of them was at the wrong altitude. (Guess which) It is "being looked into".

Well......... I shall hold judgement on that. If you climb out of an airport, and get to 1000 feet and have an engine failure, pulling the wire isn't really going to make much difference for the people on the GROUND. What am I missing? If you are talking about JUST after take off, then it is a whole different kettle. Most planes don't turn back (don't go there asking) and so go ahead. Vis, people in that area will be used to planes going over. On the given example, the planes USUALLY take off making a lot of noise. This becomes normal. So, if you are in that area, and are hearing a plane taking off and suddenly it stops or splutters, I think you would notice the "deviation from the normal" and look. But what do I know?

Please excuse my ignorance, but I have to ask: which worked from the engine manifold So HOW will this work with a EFATO? Someone has to ask.

Not wanting to be picky, but....... Belas e mortais Isn't that Pretty and deadly? (NOT USING ANY ONLINE TRANSLATOR)

Just a couple of thoughts...... I get the "simplicity" part mentioned earlier. EFATO can be problematic. The last thing you need are more things complicating landing the plane safely. There was the compressed air can powered horn. and there was the suggestion of the Jaycar horn option. But that too has problems. Here is my take on the whole thing. - The compressed air can is nice, but can itself be problematic. If the can gets old, it can go BOOM! I think back to a story I read in a mag' (I think) and a guy was flying with bags of chips in the plane. At altitude, they went BANG! Scared the poo out of the pilot. - The electric option was mentioned but people were saying if the battery is flat, or other problems, it won't work. - The Hand pumped option seems the most simple, but has problems itself. It is ANOTHER thing the pilot needs to do, and so the workload is increased. I don't have any magic answers, but to me there is no simple answer. Under the cabin is the best place (for sound dispersal) for the horn, but then there are DRAG issues. Putting a hole in the floor and mounting the horn inside is good/better, but what about RENTAL PLANES? I am sure the owner would not like you drilling a hole in the floor. Carrying a can/horn is ok too, as it is portable. But again: It requires extra work from the pilot to DEPLOY the alarm. Also, if it is a Jab (or similar) HOW are you going to open the door while still flying?

Great. This is REC FLYING. PLEASE stop posting these links to bookface, which wont work.

Small engine, SMALL HOLE FOR THE AIR, thus: quicker blocking if ice happens. Also, the greater the ice(water)/fuel mixture will be. that means the noise will stop quickly too! Good luck.

rnot much good if not on book face.

Apologies. Try this.

Found another one..... YouTube

Oh. I guess I am confused and am getting the time I walked around the 225 to when I was at Oshkosh a long time ago then. Oh the fun......... and yes they are a bl%%dy big plane!

OK, I'll ask: Wasn't there an Antanov at Richmond for the "Airofrce 70'th birthday" back in...... when ever? Wasn't there an Antanov at Avalon back in '93? I think it was 93. But around then.

Ok, for all you plane nuts...... I was in the Comm Bank the other day and I saw a QATAR air advert. The plane was either taking off or landing. I didn't pay too much attention, but I looked at the wheels to try and get the make/model.... WTF!!?? What are all those wheels? It was half 767 and half 777, but more! So I scanned the picture, and it is an A350..... 350!!?? Ok, airbus have brought out a new model. But if anyone is near one of said banks soon, try to get a peep at the advert. It is on the monitors and cycles around with other ads. Look at the wheels. Weird.

For all ye of little faith, watch this one then: This takes my original post to a whole new level.

Here is one of his newer ones: Ya gotta love a guy who can BUILD things and actauly use them!

So did you wait until the end and watch some of his other clips? some make that look TAME!

I am not going to say anything. Watch it and you decide: http://hackaday.com/2016/04/28/colin-furze-flies-the-dangerous-skies/ I say 100 points for effort.

Hmmmmm....... Seems I have done a good job in killing this topic. Does anyone think it is reflective of how seriously it is taken? My two (three?) posts were not even CLOSE to things which are happening to me, and by that, I mean the situation is WORSE - and getting worse every ..... (insert time interval here). No, I am really dismayed (spelling?/word?) that honestly at the end of the day, this is EXACTLY what I see. Talk and no real helpful/useful actions taken. It has always puzzled me how people say (after the event) ... "OH, if only I'd known, I would have done something...." That is one of the cheapest cop outs I have heard. If you REALLY care about someone, you do NOT LET IT GET THAT FAR IN THE FIRST PLACE, if you REALLY care about the person. Last part repeated to show the importance of it. And I"m out'a here. us-subscibe button pressed.

No, Neil, you are right. You can't please all the people all the time. How ever, when passing this kinda thing, submitting a theoretical concept and saying that the problems will be worked out in the wash, is a pretty pathetic way of doing things. If that kind of thinking holds, then there are serious problems with how the law works. Oh, yeah, right, sorry. That IS how the law works nowadays. People can get away with airy fairy ideas, make the masses accountable to these ideas but personally can not be held to account. It is called government.

Oh this may be true, but really it is an INSULT to the people suffering. All it is, is the goverment covering their a$$es so they can say "We did our best" and not be held liable. All they offer (and I use that word with caution) is DIS EMPOWERMENT of the person. 1 - they fill you full of drugs, so you become sedate and so easier to control. 2 - if you still hold your ground they try to put you in hospital because they want to take care of you. That is about the most HUMILIATING THING TO HAVE HAPPEN TO YOU. They CLAIM the drugs help. That depends. Although I understand that you, as the sufferer, may need "time out" from what IS an unending battle and the drugs may allow you time to "recharge" your batteries, KEEPING YOU ON THEM is a LIE! All that is doing is covering the alarms and not addressing the causes. That is no way to fix a problem. You are not dealing with the SITUATION you are in. So they put you in hospital to monitor you. Well, that's a joke. Analogy: P: Autopilot in altitude-hold mode produces a 200 feet per minute descent. S: Cannot reproduce problem on ground. So, if you take the person away from things which cause the situation, how are you supposed to work out what it is that is causing the problem? It could be said they want to give you time to "recover" away from the problem, so you can fight it from a better position. Fine in theory, but as I am sure many people will say: Because you run away from the problem, it doesn't mean it will go away. It will be there when you get back, and unless you have been given "tools" to help you deal with the problem then really you are no better off. Just time wasted not fighting and so the problem gets worse in your mind. They will then try to trivialise it and say it won't get worse. That is THEIR OPINION and they are (probably not) qualified to say that. The importance of something is PERSONAL and irrispective of if it is or not, for people to tell you their opinion and say theirs is MORE RIGHT than yours is not a good thing and those people are also probably not qualified to be doing that.

Sorry, but I beg to differ. AFAIK, Lifeline and Mens line are run by vollies mostly. As much as I admire them for doing what they do - I couldn't - their replies are becoming somewhat "stereo typed". Because of the professional detachment they must observe there are limits to what can and can't be said. And really: If at that point in time you are HANGING FROM A THREAD, the last thing you really want to hear are cliche lines. As a kid I had to deal with basically what the people at Lifeline do, but with people who are OLDER than me. And I had to do it OFTEN! It has really screwed me up, maybe not for doing it, but for the distorted perception of reality I now have, and as "easy" as it is to say/accept/claim it is wrong: To me it is reality, and anything else (though usually better) is merely conceptual.

OME, Thanks. This has helped me put together a few things and now it is all making sense! I am sure that a lot of us have heard the expression: "Dog's breath" It isn't nice and it is hard to detect it yourself if you are the sufferer, and then there is that awe full (?) feeling when you first wake up in the morning, and it feels like a dog has $hat in your mouth. I now realise what is going on! I seem to have said black dog getting into my place quite often lately and doing just that. Although from the frequency and the fact that other people know of this black dog, I think there must be a few of them, coz I get visitations quite often lately and they are not fun. (end of attempted humorous entry) However, indulge me folks: When that dog bites - me at least - it is not fun. Maybe this is made worse by the fact I am probably a bite sized person and it could probably only need to take one bite to have all of me. I am still seeing HUGE holes in how society deals with said problem. It is more "You are not allowed to do ......" and have to stay alive because you are needed. But the "by whom" is never really explained. From what I see, it is a class system, where the people who have never met this dog (or its family) dictate to us that we have to give the system money to "keep the system working" only to THEIR advantage. When someone can't take it and ....... goes to the extreme (example the young woman in Sydney this week with her 2 year old daughter) do those people scream and carry on and want more money to "pay for the system" and prevent further occurrences. What a lad of crap! They get the money and PRETEND to do things, but only to the limit of keeping themselves safe and not the people who are ALREADY suffering. They don't want to associate with that kind of person/s. The whole thing is you are told "You are important"...... But it is interesting how when the question is then posed to them: To WHOM am I important that a chilling silence is heard. Sure it is up to the individual to have SELF WORTH, and no one else. But the whole bigger picture doesn't support that, although people claim it doesn't. Instead of people being accepted for who they are, they are made to FIT IN with the things/s which are liked by the majority. Sure that is a sort of tribal mentality and we are "tribal people", but to what end? Instead of accepting people's differences (example: Most people like footy team A and I really don't like footy) then I am not accepted. HELLO! IT IS ONLY A GAME! GET OVER IT! As people who have a quirky interest - like flying - we are allowed to fly, but we are constantly controlled in what we can and can't do. Surprisingly this is sometimes good. We have to go through "extreme" testing and the like before we can fly a plane, but there again: These days kids get these new cars and are let lose on the roads and kill people because they are not really skilled in driving. Maybe soon drivers should go through a sort of HUMAN FACTORS course before they can drive. To add insult to injury, the cars are becoming more and more autonimus (spelling?) so it is starnge that people are allowed to buy them and not really understand what is going on. The car has cruise control so it claims to be easier to drive. Sure, until you fall asleep with the cruise control on and kill more people than if you went to sleep, and the car slowed down because you were not pressing the noise pedal. I have a pack of these black dogs living with me just now. It isn't fun, they take their toll on me and I suffer. NO ONE GIVES A $HIT so long as I am....... "controllable" by those who are in the other class and am not making THEIR life/s any worse. I had better stop now, the dog is back at the door scratching its way through.

Hey Kasper, As the saying goes: If you can walk away from the landing, you did alright. (Slight tangent) I just watched one of the new Air Crash Investigations, and a Fokker taking off had problems. One of the engine's reversers deployed just after take off. They only had about 2 minutes for flight time before they crashed and all killed. When things go wrong, you have to do what you have to do. As others have mentioned: Given the situation the call was not really anything to worry about.

I really need to get back up to speed with all the things happening, but I too would be concerned about voting for a paper with has obvious errors in it. Although society seems to be trending towards the "We'll work on that and fix it later" attitude is not really a good way to set standards on how to behave. Just imagine what would happen if this sort of attitude became more and more popular and governments started to behave like that? Hang on! They have already. Oops.