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Thank you Ron, that`s what I suspected, now I know. Thank you Turbo!... I`ve forgotten how many times I tried a different way but couldn`t get just video like you have..... Can`t know everything about everything. Frank.

This link is the only way I`ve been able to find to post here...When the link opens the page, scroll down to the 6th video on the right; There is another video on the next line on the left but I don`t know if those without a facebook account will be able to view the video`s so for future reference can someone without a fb account please let me know if you can view the videos. 7 News Cairns Frank.

In my post #65 I said ANO 95-10 instead of CAO 95-10, typing error, Sorry. For those who are interested here`s CAO 95-10 Civil Aviation Order 95.10 Instrument 2017 Frank.

As I recall it, in the early days of the AUF, numerous fatal accidents occurred to pilots coming from GA high-performance aircraft, into low-performance, high drag, low momentum aircraft; Ultralight, flight training began with the Austflight Drifter and the Thruster Gemini, both low-performance, high drag, low momentum Ultralights` and anyone wanting to fly those types of aircraft had to do a certain amount training in them, regardless of their GA qualifications. These days most flying schools use high-performance LSA to instruct and it doesn`t seem to make much sense to me, instructing someone in the latest LSA, high-performance aircraft, who will then go and fly some low-performance 95-10 aircraft...I don`t agree with overcomplicating anything but is this the correct way to go? Frank

Yes! Well! maybe if the regs were written a bit easier to understand instead of having this bit referring to that bit which then refers back to another bit and on and on it goes. I started before the AUF Manual 1 was approved and now we`re up to RA-Aus manual 7.1; Regulations governing 95-10 registered aircraft don`t concern me at all anymore but in an attempt to assist others, I`ve spent a fair bit of time going through the current ANO 95-10, the RA-Aus Ops manual, the Syllabus of training and I`m still not sure exactly what the requirements are. Frank.

Richard, I`m not doubting what you have said but let`s be clear on this; Someone does His/Her training in a FoxBat, LightWing, Jabiru or any other type of AC that`s out there these days, they go solo in the particular aircraft, obtain a pilot certificate then go and legally fly any number of currently registered 95-10 aircraft...Is that correct? Does " Any solo flying" mean, while they are under instruction or any solo flight after obtaining a pilot certificate? Frank.

I`ve just had a look at the RA-Aus Ops Manual and copied and pasted from it; Take note it says may! PRIVILEGES OF A STUDENT OR CONVERTING PILOT CERTIFICATE HOLDER 3. A Student or Converting Pilot Certificate holder, or an applicant for a Student or Converting Pilot Certificate, may: (a) undergo dual flight training with an Instructor who is supervised by a Flight Training School or Satellite Flight Training School in accordance with the appropriate syllabus of training provided in the RAAus Syllabus of Flight Training. https://members.raa.asn.au/storage/1-syllabus-of-flight-training-issue-7-v2-single-pages.pdf PILOT CERTIFICATE - GROUP A or B REQUIREMENTS FOR ISSUE - GROUP A or B. (d) have undergone ground and flight training in accordance with the RAAus Syllabus of Flight Training (published separately), for the Aeroplane Group in which the Pilot Certificate is sought; In (d) I don`t see any mention of a particular type of aircraft other than; 'for the Aeroplane Group in which the Pilot Certificate is sought; If the pilot certificate is being sought for a 95-10 aircraft (Single Place) how can there be any dual training with the instructor in that aircraft. (g) satisfactorily completed a flight test with an approved RAAus CFI or on request by the CFI or the Operations Manager, a RAAus Pilot Examiner. In (g) I don`t see anything that specifically states the flight test must be in a two-place aircraft. Regardless of the wording of the Ops manual or the instruction given by an RA-Aus approved instructor, in a two-place aircraft, once someone goes flying in a 95-10 aircraft, they are on their own and the outcome of the flight depends entirely on how they handle the situation. Frank,

It appears you got my point! I wasn`t trying to work out the cause of the accident, I tried to show that if the take-off run had started from the beginning of 02 the result may have been a lot different. It`s smarter and safer to use all available runway! Frank.

Using Google Earth to measure the runway length, I get 1500 mts overall length, 1000 mts overall for the black surface and 920 mts from taxi entry point on 02. For that type of aircraft the way I see it is, assuming the take-off was from the entry point on 02, there should have been enough runway ahead to abort and land if a reasonable climb rate wasn`t being held and if the climb rate was acceptable, the AC should have had more than enough hight, at the end of the runway, to clear the surrounding obstacles` safely. Even allowing for wind sheer, I find it hard to see how the AC ended up where it did if the take-off was from the beginning of the runway. Frank.

I learned a long time ago, longevity flying Ultralights requires knowing when not to fly and basically, that comes with experience, unfortunately, experience comes from doing and some don`t get a chance to learn from their mistakes, their first is their last. After 35 years of flying Ultralights, so that I maintain my ability, I will fly in wind conditions unsuitable and dangerous to a novice pilot but I`ve learned when not to fly and will not fly just to find out if I can. Frank.

Fortunately, I`ve never had to see the inside of a courtroom and hopefully, I never will; the couple of very small issues I`ve had in my life, I`ve been able to sort out myself. I realised a long time ago it would be very difficult, if not impossible, for anyone to defend themselves against a claim of 'Trauma', anyone who isn`t prepared to accept the concequences of what could result in taking a passenger flying should fly solo. Frank.

Fortunately, I`ve never had to see the inside of a courtroom and hopefully, I never will; the couple of very small issues I`ve had in my life, I`ve been able to sort out myself. I realised a long time ago it would be very difficult, if not impossible, for anyone to defend themselves against a claim of 'Trauma', anyone who isn`t prepared to accept the concequences of what could result in taking a passenger flying should fly solo. Frank.

Hi Andy, I can`t view the video, I have to create a channel but I`m told: " No Video Were Found" ......Cheers. Frank.

I`ve probably taken more people flying than anyone else, here in Australia, I`m still prepared to do so and I`m fully aware of the consequences; I take it as a privilege that those I take flying are prepared to put their lives` in my hands. Before we go flying, I brief everyone on the fact that the aircraft is an Ultralight aircraft, it is a real aircraft and things can and do something go wrong; I finish briefing by adding, that all I can guarantee is that I will give them the best of my ability, if they can`t accept that ( from memory, only 2 did not ) I won`t take them; For anyone under 18 years of age, I want their parents permission (always granted), therefore, those I take up have made an informed concious decision to fly with me; In the past, things have gone wrong! I`ve had several engine failures but never so much as scratched myself or someone with me and I have never even had the slightest hint of a lawsuit...Could it happen??? I`m old school, I believe in personal responsibility, I also believe that we are not creating a better society if we all hide under a rock (figure of speech) because we might be sued: All those I take flying come to me, I don`t go looking for them and as far as I`m concerned, we need to go back to personal responsibility, lawsuits, mostly make the Lawers rich! By the way! I was at the first meeting, where we discussed if we were prepared to pay a bit more for A.U.F.now RA-Aus membership fees to have insurance for all members...We voted YES! Initially it was only third party insurance. Frank......... A.U.F/RA-Aus member, 993.

I`ve probably taken more people flying than anyone else, here in Australia, I`m still prepared to do so and I`m fully aware of the consequences; I take it as a privilege that those I take flying are prepared to put their lives` in my hands. Before we go flying, I brief everyone on the fact that the aircraft is an Ultralight aircraft, it is a real aircraft and things can and do something go wrong; I finish briefing by adding, that all I can guarantee is that I will give them the best of my ability, if they can`t accept that ( from memory, only 2 did not ) I won`t take them; For anyone under 18 years of age, I want their parents permission (always granted), therefore, those I take up have made an informed concious decision to fly with me; In the past, things have gone wrong! I`ve had several engine failures but never so much as scratched myself or someone with me and I have never even had the slightest hint of a lawsuit...Could it happen??? I`m old school, I believe in personal responsibility, I also believe that we are not creating a better society if we all hide under a rock (figure of speech) because we might be sued: All those I take flying come to me, I don`t go looking for them and as far as I`m concerned, we need to go back to personal responsibility, lawsuits, mostly make the Lawers rich! By the way! I was at the first meeting, where we discussed if we were prepared to pay a bit more for A.U.F.now RA-Aus membership fees to have insurance for all members...We voted YES! Initially it was only third party insurance. Frank......... A.U.F/RA-Aus member, 993.

Geezus Bex! Can`t slow down! Gotta take advantage of the good flying weather we`re getting here while it lasts....... This is Steve Handel; Steve did his flight training, in a FoxBat, with The Recreational Flying Co and has achieved his RA-Aus pilot certificate. Steve came to see me a couple of weeks ago so I offered to introduce him to the Drifter; After a couple of flights with me, I reckon he`s hooked on the Drifter...This afternoon I recommended he join us here on the Forum and so he did. Frank.

G`Day Steve, . Frank.

Hi everyone, I hope you all had a pleasant and happy, Christmas day, my wife Frances and I certainly did, we spent Christmas day with some of our family and a few friends On the flying side, my Drifter is still in demand! I took my next door neighbour, Helen, for her first flight in an Ultralight and her sister, Lou, for her second, also my 6-year-old Granddaughter, for her fourth .... This afternoon I took Sthom for his fourth flight, his first was at ten years of age...Around this time of year, Sthom and his Mum come to Deeral to spend some time with his Mum`s parents and his Grandparents, on the sailing catamaran, Stargate, moored here in the Mulgrave river and the first thing Sthom want`s to do, is go flying with me.... Frank.

I don`t want to have to hack it...Why didn`t you turn back sooner, better still, why did you go into it? Frank.

After having a couple of tandem of flights in Trikes, I also made the conscious decision, for the same reason. There are a couple of reasons I don`t want to fly trikes, the most important one for me is they don`t have a verticle fin and rudder and therefore, they don`t have the same directional control, as three axis, in a crosswind. My main strip is 510 mts end to end by 30 mts wide... I keep the runway mowed at 5 mts wide ( to keep my footwork up to speed ) with grass around 1 mt high on both sides...I fly with 90 degrees of crosswind often and I wouldn`t like to be doing it with a Trike. Frank,

Don`t recall the date but I do recall the incident or accident if you prefer...Two guys came out from England, to circumnavigate Australia with their Trikes`. When they got to the Daintree section, the weather got bad enough that they decided to land on a beach and sit it out, unfortunately, due to the strong crosswind coming from the ocean, both trikes were damaged on landing and couldn`t be flown so they had to get back to Cairns by barge, to repair them. Frank, Ps, At that time, Chris Bolton, from Cairns, used to do some flying with his Trike, from our property here at Deeral...When he found out that the two guys` from England were coming, he said to me and I quote, " Circumnavigating Australia is something that should be done by an Australian"...Within a couple of days, he was packed and took off from the property, here...Eventually, he landed back here, on our property, claiming to be the first to circumnavigate Australia...I have no way of knowing if that is correct.

As far as I`m concerned, legal doesn`t necessarily mean safe! There are plenty of legal Ultralights that have crashed and plenty illegal ones that haven't, the most important thing is that you`re still around after 30 years of flying them. I`ll be 70 on new years day, not really an outlaw either, just don`t like or have much time for rules that don`t benefit what I do. Frank,

If we measure richness by our freedom to fly, I`m a filthy rich man! These days I only fly off my own property! basically! I have my own sky to fly in and no problems with any authorities`! Well! I`m not $ filthy rich but I`ve been paying for the privilege of flying an Ultralight aircraft, for over 30 years! Other than to continue sending me notices that my RA-Aus membership and aircraft rego is due and that the fee has again increased and is likely to continue increasing, the only authority that does anything for me, is me! But then! I guess I`m helping to keep some people in a job The $ value probably doesn`t really matter to the $ rich. Frank.