regarding my earlier comment, I am certainly not disagreeing with the info that being put out, infact I have taken quite alot from reading, what i don't like to see is the way its been put forward, having digs at people when trying to put your information across only results in them closing there ears to your opinion and not taking on board what you have had to say. though I must say admit in the later replies to this thread, things did cool down alot, but my view, and I think the view shared by many others was in the beginning, the conversation was quite a bit out of hand.