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If you care to follow the thread you'll find I was answering a question from Skippy.

......prompted Turbo to come to her aid by saying he didn't really have all that money, he only had a few billion, and Gina smiled again but no one was to know how devious she was although Cappy had an inkling........

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Yes laminate in high quality resin will retain its memory (springyness) longer. If you press your thumb against the side of a new Jab, you can do a basic gauge comparison with a similar thickness curved laminate of poor quality resin and your thumb will go in deeper and the material will tank longer to rebound. With a gelcoat/polyester/chopped strand mat fibrelass laminate (very roughly here) Stage 1 Dull surface of gelcoat (gelcoat problem - polish or cut and polish) Stage 2 Dull Plus surface powder (as 1 but can be deteriorating in the laminate also) Stage 3 Tiny cracks, crazing (through the gelcoat ad water getting into the laminate - structural damage starting) Stage 4 Bigger cracks, big long lines of crazing. When the laminate bulges these cracks open and let the weather in. At the very least the gelcoat needs sanding off and replaced). Stage 5 Chunks of gelcoat dropping off between the Stage 4 cracks and crazes, more rapid deterioration of the resin and a lot more softening. Stage 6 Areas of resin crazing into small squares and dropping out of the fibreglass fibres. Inspecting for Stages 3,4 you would be doing a lot of thumb pushing. This is where you can't generalise; you have to go back to the individual manufacturer. They might all be using fibreglass but the engineering, specifications etc will all be different. When the weather has got into the laminate, a monocoque structure is virtually at the point where you have to throw it away. Even with a space frame for structural strength deteriorated panels will be torn off their mountings or collapse in wind pressure, so space frame aircraft can be just as dangerous. Bottom line is you have to replace deteriorated panels before they become a safety hazard, so you will be needing expert advice from the manufacturer.

......Gina and OT for years and they could often be seen smooching in the Kling Long Nightclub in Hong Kong after flying there in separate airlines. It did look a bit odd because OT is so skinny, but they were happy enough and the partnership prospered until......... A truckie friend of Turbo was caught out there one night after sneaking in for quick perv at the strippers while dining. One of them walked up to his table and pulled him up to dance. He thought "What the heck, no one will know me here and was acting silly when from the sidelines there was a bellow 'GO KNIGHTY'

The resin is the critical component and this paper by Sindhu & Joseph gives some data on the subject. There are many resins available and many standards on sale. Whether Oxidation, UV, chemical splashed etc, some products crack or colapse to a powder and the laminate is just a heap of glass fibres and powder. You can see that a lot in cheap boats which have been made with cheap resin and thin laminates. At the other end of the scale are products like these Atkinson FRP Truck Cabs and FRP Refrigerated Vans. There are still plenty in operation after 55 - 59 years. The FRP Refrigerated rigid trucks have had several refrigeration unit replacements and some are on their 7th truck cab/chassis.

There is video of the Tower asking the Helicopter PIC if he could see the approaching aircraft.

........Lang Hancock and Robert Bunning. We all know that Lang flew a Cessna and was always getting lost and one day he was flying up an unfamiliar valley and found Gina's fortune. Not many people know that Robert Bunning was also an entrepreneur as a timer miller and builder of most of Perth's early homes, shops and factories. Lang used to say "Bob, get out of those XXXXXXX overalls; you have to have a XXXXXXX vision like me, that's how you make XXXXXXX money." Robert would defend himself and say, "If I could buy hammers, saws, nails from 1/2" to 6" and baths in WA instead of waiting for the Camel trains to walk in from the east I'd make money too! "Ever heard of Turbine Bros Marketing Consultants Inc.?" asked Lang mildly and six weeks later Arthur Turbine, whose pub nickname was "Turbo" walked in, and the rest is history, and btw that's why in the nails section whether you are looking in the 2" nail bin or the 5" nail bin, you'll always find nails from 1/2" to 6", and why..........

how does this thing work do i have to say my name?I notgood with these things. Gislaine is detained just now but ther's plenty more where that came from for you Cappy turbie I;

......electronic cures which could be bought on subscription. We shouldn't tell you this, but NES readers never bleat secrets out; you have to be very careful when talking around OT. Outwardly he projects himself as a Gentleman but he listens then he strikes, and he'd heard us discussing Bill and Jeffrey in the early morning NES meeting a few weeks ago. Next thing we see these ads coming up on facebook from "Dr Spick", offering cures online for everything from ingrown toenails to a full blown health cure to pass Class 2 Medicals. Just how this could be done electronically wasn't said but there were hints of delivery by drone anywhere in the world, and of course a money-back guarantee if .........

Still no photo; hmmmm

Save your breath, we're just doing a lot of thinking for someone who wants an answer but can't be bothered posting a photo or giving the depth. He's already said a fix didn't work at the depth you're talking about and after years of sittinf idle the oxidation is likely to be deep, so well beyond the gelcoat, well into the resin, so better to buy new panels or at the very least pay for an assessment by an FRP expert and I don't mean someone who just owns a similar aircraft.

.....their chainsaws to cut up the night’s meal. They did catch a lot more machine gun fire in those orange overalls, but it was only half hearted after Turbine Propaganda (Middle East) Inc. dropped leaflets telling the Afghans to avoid them because they had the plague and.......

Thanks for that; as we see from the USEPA document the areas where MOGAS and GASOLINE are supplied are defined. From that point the blending to suit the two market areas is up to the refineries and wholesale companies.

.....the Shire President really acted up. Following the established procedures of the AUF magazine, He wrote 17 Letters to the Editor, all in different names. There was one from Dad, one from Dave and so on. He made sure they were from all corners of the Shire and all extolled their beloved President. He was clever, and even had some of them arguing amongst themselves when one of them said Green Jacket wasn't that good, and five others viciously responded and "exposed" the writer as a drunk. The letters went on for weeks but after a while the general farming community realised the grammar was always as bad as the President's and the "writers" were forgetting where "they" lived and who had which wife, and who was supposed to have had the best cows in the district. Max was an unusual journalist who not only had done the five year slog at CQU in Rockhampton, but after graduation had gone on to an embedding with the Australian SES in Afghanistan and became interested in which tribes could speak to each other and why other tribes had similar language but were unintelligible. From this he did a degree at Monash University in Anthropology. So it only took him three months of the Shire President's ravings to be able to source all the characters including Dad and Dave. There was even the Chinese market gardener Bok Choy writing to the newspaper in Mandarin but using precisely the same cadence and the Shire President. So he decided to write an expose and started with ...........

MOGAS is a specific fuel in the USA.

I guess you don't do much flying in the city. The PPT can be used for a lot of things especially communicating something after you've been talking to another airctaft.

A few scary things being tossed around here, just be careful where the laminate is structural or subject to wind pressure. It sounds like the oxidation on this aircraft is deeper, than a polish treatment can handle. FRP is Fibreglass Reinforced Plastic. (Plastic reinforced by glass fibres) The plastic is structural augmented by the fibreglass. The gel coat is not structural so you can polish or buff that away, but you need to put a new layer of gel coat on to stop the raw material picking up water and rotting. However as soon as you start to lose the gel coat colour you're grinding your structure away so that's the time to look at a new panel. In some cases the oxidation will already be deep enough to be powdering the FRP; if you have FRP skills, you can grind it down clear of the oxidation, then laminate back up to the original thickness or a little more but then there's a lot of sanding to get it looking like the original, as well as the sanding of the gel coat. If you want to see this in action, look at a few boat transoms. The area oxidises, water gets in and rots the transom beam and the next thing you know the motor's in your lap.

It's the gelcoat and resin that oxidise, not the glass fibre.

.....contravening Local Law No5 of the Shire of Tocumwal (locally known as Toke). The Shire President called a Press Conference, sending emails to all the newspapers TV Channels and the ABC as well as the Guardian. He dressed in his RMW boots, Moleskins, his Dark Green Shire Reefer Jacket with the Gold badge with his name on it, put on his Akubra and prepared to meet the press. He was expecting Helicopters, Mobile Broadcasting Vans and a crowd and he braced himself as he drove int the town, turning left into Deniliquin St and past the Big Cod, but the only person there to gret him was Max from the Deni Guardian. Max's first note was "dressed up like a King's Cross tart...." and said.....

There's nothing wrong with Starbrite, probably the issue is not translated just by written word. It could be that the oxidation which can be cut up at the surface has left the gel coat porous in which case you have to sand the gel coat off and apply new gel coat, and it could also be that the oxidation is into the resin, so maybe take a panel to an expert.

Well there's potholes too but Australia has a lot of open clear wide roads too. It's really a matter of assessing as you are coming down. One guy, in a Piper Arrow, flying his elderly parents to Sydney from Moorabbin had an engine failure in the suburbs and landed in medium traffic on Ferntree Gully Road. He was still rolling fast when he got to the traffic lights and the left wing tangled with a series of steel poles and wrapped the aircraft around a big wooden power pole (so the energy dissipated). That pulled the power lines down around him and there was a fire. Emergency Services did their thing and all three got out uninjured.

.......into strict protocols. Meetings were not to start before the clock had struck midnight which was a bit stiff if your clock didn't have a striker. OEHOR was a stickler for detail, especially where CAT was concerned. You couldn't just say "a D12 Dozer", you had to know the correct nomenclature and what tracks it had. Yopu couldn't ...........

Yes and no. The OP thread was about the Landing Rule, so only clarity was needed. The thread heading didn't say that but that's not the end of the world. About 6 posts in there was reference to us checking changes to Radio Procedures, and yes I contributed to thread drift by answering FH, but referring to Radio Procedures it was a little more than education material. The post-WW2 radio procedures were born out of saving lives in combat or passenger flying, and there were a lpot of people around who'd lost friends or experienced a near miss, so radio procedures were cutting edge and DCA added value to that by introducing systems to match. They knew where we were and if we got lost they'd get us back on track, and lessons learned on the busy circuits of WW2 were put into practice. Then cost cutting was introduced and a lot of those procedures dropped off and you had to unlearn the old and learn the new. Then some people thought they had better ideas and partial changes were introduced and you had to unlearn the new old and learn the new new. Then the States and Commonwealth Governments had a meeting in Perth in the mid 1980s and decided they all would be stuffed if they were going to pay out in lawsuits which were occurring probably every day if you include pole vaulting and axe competitions, so the governments went for a split relationship where the people engaged in some activities had to pay for themselves, and a lot of radio procedures dropped off and you had to use your eyes. You then had to unlearn the new new and learn the new newer and come up with your own safety systems. Believe it or not there would be some people here who went through the lot and felt this behaviour by a regulator of constant switches was appalling. I've condemned CASA for it in the past. So I would recommend people read the proposed changes and make comments related to their operations.

......a shoe tapping, sand groping, toe kicking, eye gouging "influencer" it was best to keep away from if you knew what was good for you. Cappy hadn't read the signs..............