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.....lika after the Afghan Mayor of PH. The mayor's nickname was Azlika and he knew everyone in the town and was a Board Member of The Peak Hill Mining Coy, which helped with planning issues like getting an area zoned Mining, so they could expand the mine into the town. The Peak Hill Shell Service Station paid five pounds for a licence to build dingos and Azlika bought the second one built, Serial No 5........................

.......were popular in the gaslight era of the 1890s and taught many Australians how to read and write for the first time. This was a time of many family break-ups after the Cook schools started after-hours adult classes and parents started to read what their children were saying about them. It was also the short era of the Dingo, a tiny aircraft designed and built in Australia by a Doctor, and which today would fit nicely into the Recreational Aircraft category - an underpowered engine needing constant maintenance and flying vices that would make Mata Hari look a saint. Not many people know about Dr Cook who came from Peak Hill in NSW. He would two the aircraft up Peak Hill, turn it around, put on his Operating Theatre suit and rubber gloves, and help the low-powered engine by taking off and flying down the hill in the boundary layer. There are old copies of the WreckFlyne forum of the 1890s, hand-written of course, with diagrammes and notations by the good Doctor, including the epic .......................

.............sure sign of a poor upbringing, possibly in a school run by .............

If you read the first few posts you'll find that ATSB are investigating this accident. That means there will be a first report out in a few weeks (but not much detail). Then there will be a very detailed analysis when ATSB have completed all their own investigations, interviewed witnesses and others who feel they have something to contribute, and then completed their decisions based on the analysis. It is VERY thorough and they don usually need social media comments, so (a) this thread would quickly disappear into history, and (b) if we stuck only to the subject we would lose hundreds of discussions which extends learning.

RAA Ltd whether you agree or not or like it or not is permitted to conduct recreational flying by CASA on a self administration basis. No independent administration? RA flying ends. Under self administration RAA Ltd has some obligations to maintain safety. Whether you agree or disagree with how they are going about it, it is what it is. There a ways a substantial bloc of members can get together and do things a better way if there is a better way, but the its clear and unmistakeable that the majority are quite happy to go along with it, and you've got two good examples in the posts above.

I was reeling with shock at your shock Skippy, so don't want to SHOCK you more by explaining that what we are dealing with is drivers high on drugs, hallucinating with some continuously driving for 48 hours. That's our problem area. However the point is that a Self Governing body has to start somewhere to try to mitigate the risk of one of its members selling a faulty aircraft.

The breaks are a little further apart and have conditions then a 10 hour break. Anout the same Local drivin has shorter distances and is usually limited by businesses being open so takes care of itself. The government legislation is fine and has been developed and refined over half a century in conjunction with drivers. The enforcemnent is quite good. My beef is that if the average car driver covers 30,000 km per year and the average over the road driver covers 250,000 he should be paying less per penalty because his percentage of offences is much lower than the car driver. What I was discussing was not the general Industry but the tiny serial flouters who always have a reason for what they do. In fact the auto and transport industries have an excellent safety record; way down there with medical negligence, and that's a very small figure.

........a million different speeches at the same time. After a while people involved in a lot of meetings started to notice all the speeches were exactly the same except for the names. One young exec, who used "reach out" instead of "email" or "phone" (as in "I'll reach out to the customer rather than I'll phone the customer), and words like "woke" and "gaslighting"..........

In every community, every company, every association, every team there will always be around 5% "Mr Dodgies" who will obfuscate the rules, bend the rules, break the rules, spoiling their sport or industry for the majority. When you're trying for Zero problems/fatalities etc they'll fight you to the death, and have a million ways of staying under the radar. In the case we are discussing where a Self Administering body is trying to improve conformity, it's always had to avoid going back to prescriptive rule yourself chasing them with new rules. The Audit is a good way of staying at arms length from law suits. Self Administration works well,in that the dodgy people ultimately have to pay the price of their actions rather than the organization, but it would still be better if those accidents didn't occur. Prescriptive industries have much the same problem with this rump which has turned avoidance in an art form. The Transport Industry is one of these, and about 25 years ago it introduced Fatigue laws for trucks and drivers of long distance semi trailers. They were ignored. The driver wanted to rest at the correct times but the managers usually suggested that they could, but they wouldn't get any more work. Chain of Responsibility laws were introduced for that; they were ignored. A National group of Prosecutors focusing on long distance transport was introduced, and have been quietly sanctioning management for a while, but of course the fines were claimed on expenses. The Prosecutors stepped up ther stories in the transport media, explained how they work, explained who they were after; those Mr Dodgies. but they were ignored. The results of one of their most recent cases has just been announced. Four police officers who had jut pulled over a speeding motorist were kille by a truck driver high on drugs. The driver had been hallucinating and pleaded that he needed sleep but was told to do the trip. The National Operations Manager was found guilty of failing to follow health & safety standards and jailed for up to 3 years. The company is no longer operating.

You learn something every day; that can't be a bad thing.

......in the past. Now he just uses the name Ambivulant and uses AI to make posts so they are ...........

However if you issue an official Condition Report you are responsible for your own advice (which is why mechanics issuing roadworthy certificates photograph every single item they look at).

........put all the fragile products at kid height so when they pulled them out and broke them the "Trolley Weight" as the Supermarkets call it, would increase, and he could buy the Bentley S, or even a Thruster, but ........

.......means lower prices. In fact if they took everything off the shelves the poor people would be able to afford groceries. Gone are the days when, if you ordered a pound of radisges from the grocer he'd hop in his Ford Prefect, go round to the market gardener, then drop them round to your place, or when .......

I popped the hatch on take off in a Cherokee P28-140 once (hadn't bothered to read the POH), was probably in a hurray and didn't pull the latch all the way. There was an explosive bang and the hatch was sitting about 75 mm out in the slipstream. Had a couple of goes but couldn't pull it in, so landed. The storm window is also a place for your nose when all your passengers are throwing up on a bumpy trip. The ones in the rear get it on your neck and down your back. Beautiful clean air and you can still fly the aircraft. The 140 and Warrior have a longer wheelbase than RA aircraft designs, and make perfectly smooth landings where the passenger can't tell the touch down point if the nose is pulled right up in ground effect, so the whole process lends itself to a slower landing speed and much less kinetic energy left for a flip over.

.........land and have a nice Roman Plunge. Not many peolple know that Turbo is endorsed on a C150 and the endorsement proudly signed off by his late CFI (who "went in" with 34 passengers in a Beech Queenair). As a helpful note to others where the "enorsement" has changed to just walking to a different point airside to where a C150 is parked; getting control of the phugoid is the key to flying a C150 without the making an ass of yourself or even appearing in a warning from ATSB. The first step is to give it a good wash using a bottle of "Flash" dish washer from Aldi. This frees up ...............

........give her a jar of those Vitamin cAT pills made by Turbine Pharmaceuticals? Turbo sent two tonnes f bottles and the Nurse never looked back and is now an Angelina Jolie stunt double in Hollywood. Turbo noticed that Cappy had been restless since he got back so he bought him a prawn trawler, based it in Bundaberg. Cappy was still restless, having sold his beloved but dented J230, so Turbo bought him the very latest aircraft flying in Recreational Aviation, a 1962 Cessna 150, and based it at Mon Repos Beach where Bert Hinkler got his start in flying. Like Bert he put a wing or two into the sand before he mastered flying the C150, They were cute, but a vicious little thing unforgiving of mistakes or running turtles. The C150 has an undercarriage like a Sherman tank, an instrument panel like an Austin 7 and a whine like a Humber Snipe diff. Cappy loved it; much better than the home made stuff and ...............

......"Sleepless in Seattle" mode? As Cappy reached for his keyboard to type an email, the Nurse caught a whiff of gin. Not many people know Turbo has a degree in Body Language Speed Reading and saw the nurse recoil, but a miracle happened and so did Cappy who quickly slipped into the Forest Gump part with a limp and waverng voice. Of course the Nurse fell for him and they ran all over the country for three years. When they got back a puffing Cappy said "......................

OK you found the words Third Party Liability, but if you read further you'll find that the insurance you need is Combined Single Liability. However that relates to insurance. The subject we are discussing relates to cost of Operations. and that's what people are trying to come to grips with.

Good point, but it was RAA members and officials that took us up to the weight levels and speeds etc of GA and shortly you will see RA and GA pilots both flying Cessna 150s in much the same areas, so it would be very hard to turn back.

If a car example is confusing we'll stick to the aircraft about to be sold sold. Yes everything SHOULD be double and triple checked, but the ATSB and RAA reports show many serious accidents where someone accidentally forgot to fasten a hatch, wheel nut, or tightened something too much when he didn't look up the correct torque for the friction etc. That negligence fits into the Human Factors classification which is of serious concer, correctly, by CASA and RAA Ltd. I'll give you a very specific aircraft example where the builder of an aircraft didn't fit a castellated, pinned nut to an elevator Morse control, didn't even fit a nyloc nut, just fitted a coarse thread nut and bolt. There was a reasonablly forseeable risk that the nut would come off, the bolt slide out and the Morse control disconnect from the elevator. Therefore the aircraft was not fit for sale. Quite a few hirers clearly didn't follow your "should be double and triple checked." An instructor and student died when the Morse control disconnected from the elevator and tha aircraft crashed. As I mentioned Caveat Emptor doesn't apply these days; if you sell a faulty produuct it will blow back on you.

Third Party Insurance which you the taxpayer pay to the government through your CTP annual motor vehicle registration process funds the costs to people injured in motor vehicle accidents. The Third Party fund applies only to the Motor Vehicle Industry. If you are flying an aircraft and through negligance you injure someone, they have the right to sue you in a civil Court. You can protect yourself by paying for Public Liability Insurance. RAA Ltd administers the people flying RA aircraft so they also have a duty of care to mitigate a reasonably forseeable risk and if they breach that duty of care they can also be sued in a Civil Court. It's RAA Ltd taking action to mitigate risks that people are bitching about. They are just getting off the subject.

I gave you an example and you've just rewritten it to an example which makes the faults disappear......... Very importantly the Buyer is not responsible for the seller failing to disclose any faults, the seller is.

I wasn't talking about insurance. I'm not thinking anything of the sort; I', trying to help people understand why RAA is doing what it does. No one's stopping you from seeking additional self reasurance, but there's an RAA process that has to be followed for their protection and that's a condition under which they will allow you to operate; if they go broke you don't fly. You're misunderstanding what this is all about; talk to RAA.

Third Party as in "Third Party Insurance" is a system where the taxpayer picks up the tab for someone's negligence. That's not done in sports like recreational aviation where the person who is negligent is sued, and if you are managing a group of people in a sport and you don't mitigate risks, you the administrator can also be sued, hence administrators can and will find ways to encourage participants to eliminate risky equipment.