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A lot of fairy stories there. CASA already has six SASAOs;no reason why a group couldn't set up an Incorporated Association the same as RAA Inc. with a similar structure and large scale activities like Natfly, and State or region based Committee Members, Aircraft Examiners, Maintenace Examiners etc. just like the others. For years now there has been leakage from RAA to HGFA/SAFA; no reason why they couldn't expand more if they wanted to. Sport Aviation Self-Administering Organisations. (SASAO) SASAO Oversees 1 Australian Parachute Federation Parachuting regulations 2 Australian Sport Rotorcraft Association Gyroplanes 3 Australian Warbirds Association Limited Airworthiness of Limited Category aircraft, Adventure Flight Operators 4 Gliding Federation of Australia Gliding 5 Recreational Aviation Australia Limited Ultralights, Recreational, Weight Shift Microlights, Light Sport Aircraft, Power Parachutes 6 Sports Aviation Federation of Australia Hang Gliding, Paragliding, Weight Shift Microlights, Power Parachutes (Previously HGFA)

Well it's like this; there may be an issue, or even a good idea that CASA want to communicate to pilots, but do the just limit it to RPT Pilots, Charter Pilots, CPL, PPL and leave out the riff raff like Hang Gliders, RA Pilots or the old Grumps that never stop whining? If they leave someone out, someone else will find out and complain about Natural Justice; if they just leave the old Grump out he's going to be writing stinging posts for a month. So they have to pick their market, and their negative risk if tey want to keep the message away from a long line of people. Of course, if they are sending a message to everyone they'd be typing for half an hour and if they forgot one, they'd get the stiging posts, so they database all those groups under the heading Stakeholders, so everyone feels important and part of a big picture. It just stratifies groups where all might get Attachment A, some might get an Attachmenbt B, some might get an attachment B, C, D etc depending on how they are classified.

......they could focus fully on firing their guns at the Boche and other Trump-like enemies without having to focus on flying and dramatically improved the British position. They next tried Morris Guns but they .............

The Coroner has already released his report.

........loop throttle quadrant lever [avref], a device exclusive to the Jacka and if the truth be known the only good thing about that aircraft which was powerede by an engine designed to power a 4 stand shearing plant. The loop throttle quadrant lever was made by Aston Martin in England, some saying it was the best product they ever made, because it could .........

Pretty much all of that, however remember that there are many risk sports that are very much smaller than flying. I did see a case where Insurance companies declined to insure a big industry, but there was quickly an agreement for the industry to get its act into gear and it all calmed down. As we found earlier in the year, RA in total hasn't been a huge risk.

Take a look at the recreational aircraft operating in other SASAOs for that answer. There's nothing to stop an Incorporated Association setting up. Remember these are Self Administering.

It doesn't say anything of the sort. There's a beautiful colour photo of a SAFA trike flying over a coastline around social media; they aren't screwed up in a ball about the current SASAO structure, they're doing some good promotion.

Your still thinking in the Prescriptive era; a little like if you have an accident today under the prescriptive State Government system.

Yes, all correct, BUT when you have lost about a dozen cases and the bill for the insurer is north of $15 million you start to see where your responsibilities lie and you work to benchmarks and make go/no go decisions and investigate everything and the evidence becomes reliable in Court, and surprise surprise the events and payouts come down sharply. So auditing can be your friend.

ATSB investigate aircraft accidents withing CASA's registrating and licnsing system, and can investigate a self administering sports aircraft organisation in certain circumstances. They are an independent body as you say. CASA is a safety body, and ATSB do the investigations for them as outlined above. The State Police investigate accidents on the road, in workplaces and generally and provide a Brief to the State Coroner. Self Administering Organisations, if they are smart, investigate their own accidents which go into their own databases to help reduce the accident rate, and also assist Police where called on with their specialist advice, for the Coroner's brief and the Coroner makes a finding on the deceased plus may make recommendations for a Sport/Industry etc. A Self Administering Body is just that. It can sit there with its tongue in the sude of its mouth and just cop the lawsuits without doing any investigation at all. However it's much smarter to pass its own safety regulations, administer its one member standards and aircraft standards, investigate promptly when something goes wrong and take action to minimise any repeats.

........put it in the trike and make for......but his voice was drowned out by the sprag clutch and whine of the Rotax as the trike raced down the runway and staggered into the air. OT was a little inexperienced with weightshift and pushed the bar when he should have pulled it. The trike jerked and the Briefcase flipped out and dropped on to the runway. Turbo sprinted for the bag, or he thought he sprinted. OT looked down and saw Turbo and again mishandled the controls and the Trike tumbled over and over in that deat roll heading towards the ground. Luckily a hug elm tree snagged the trike and OT was able to jump down and make a run for the Briefcase, but before either could grab it ..........

We got close to setting up a skilled investigation group in the RAA Inc. days. When you are self administering you (RAA) have the duty of care to eliminate risk. You are the body licensing the members to fly, you have to ensure they come home. The governments are reflecting the opinions of the voters, who aren't interested in paying their taxes to prop up sport and recreation. CASA allowed AUF/RAA INC/RAA LTD on this basis through exemptions. ATSB is capable of investigating complex issues to prevent endemic failures in heavier aircraft and a Drifter cracked in half in a ditch is hardly beyond RAA's a Self Administering Organisation's ability; you just have to set something up that suits your sport/recreation. In my experience with various sports/recreation self administering organisations over the past 30 + years most organisations have survived, and are operating with similar numbers to the mid 1980s. RAA still has those numbers also. The recent attempt by someone to shift responsibility on to ATSB shoulld be seen for what it is.

".... take a minute, I'll get rid of these pearl handled revolvers and the cigar because no poor bastard ever won a war by dying for his country." Turbo recognised the voice and snapped to attention, dropping his gun, which the Patton figure quickly kicked over the fence with his left foot. Amazed at this, Turbo hesitated just that little bit too long and ....... For the benefit of NES followers, the "hew" Cappy referred to was an error. Victoria's Premier had heard somewhere that Albo was in danger of lising the next election so had rallied her Amazon female cabinet Ministers and gone down to Moorabbin to announce that 10,000 "Townhouses" (flats) would be built at Moorabbin Airport. When the sole mechanic has eased himself out from under the Cessna and asked how the planes were gunna land, the Premier said "Don't be silly" we've measured the Cessna wings and left two slots so both runways can still be used. 15 minutes after she'd got back to the Department to be met by all the NO Ministers, she announced the Moorabbin deal was off and Turbo in his relief had simply tyed "hew" instead of "Phew".

.....Gough Whitlam and Joh BP. But Turbo, who hadn't recognised bull's disguise, cut him off and was just about to plug bull when hew thought he recognised a familiar voice.........

........dressed himself up in a houndstooth suit, carried a bugle in one hand, dipped his other hand in some sump oil from the shed and wiped it over his hair, stuck a piece of charcoal under his nose and walked into the Reiss Bank with a stoop and a limp, towing his money in a trolley. Six staff immediatedly shot their arms out and clicked their heels, then quickly pulled them down and turned red, hoping no one would notice. One took the trolley, another put his arm around bull, reeling back from the smell of the sump oil and the money was in the bank so to speak. Just as bull swaggered down the Allestrande Lause, a figure ........

.....had enough money to fill it up for life. When he tried to put his money into a Swiss Bank .......

nor did she see Albo as one, partiularly after he'd stood up to Don T. For that matter, she thought she might like a bit of bomb chucking, so when Ahmed asked to borrow her ASIC card, she said...............................

I would suggest you take some notice of comments on a current legal issues for RAA.

I don't think you understand; it's already out there.

Well you started that "incredibly dangerous talk" and it's now got wings.

..........and it appears that some of us were trained that way, but a lot of us were not, so there's a job the has be done.

and now we finally get to the crux of the matter, the middle ear; I think you might be talking about this: https://www.flightsafetyaustralia.com/2018/01/dont-believe-your-ears-2/ which, hopefully all Instructors will have taught their students about.

....naive. The G, as the Ragheads call them had promised her a "free one" and, thinking it was a free tow, Shirley........................ We need to recognise that Cappy would have opened up to tell us this only after a lot of agonising thought, most likely bringing on a bout of PTSD. We love the ragheads, as nasty as they can be but they too have feelings.

I think we've all been through this before.