Had me guessing there Mick, thought ya might have been slightly concussed from a heavy load on your 454's. I think only a minor drift but relevant as all about affordability. Now popularity, PG and PPG very popular as cheap, Hang Gliding well many here started that way, last year saw 80 of em lots of them kids towed up for a comp at Dalby. If something cheap and green were to become available in 3-axis might see more interest.