oscar, yes a lot of guys fly one wing down, and/or half a ball out. It drives me nuts!!!
The jamtar used to be quite a ruddery acft to fly, but to be fair, powered acft with no rudder trim are suffering from an added influence, which is generally the reason for the half a ball issue.
A bit of pressure is almost always needed in the 170 to keep it true. Again, to be fair ive only flown 2 170's so not as much of a 'stat" to draw on, but i am often having to tell pilots something like this:
Me" Ok we have full power set and the climb attitude attained, keep pressure on the right rudder to keep the ball centered"
Student: " Ok turning left, clear right-center-left, left aileron and rudder to roll on bank of 20 deg's"
Me: " No, not left rudder, just less right rudder"
Student " Huh? Im using left aileron, ??"
me : " yes, I know, but your in the climb attitude and have full power set, so right rudder is needed"
Student: Uumm...I swear you said, when turning, use rudder and aileron together, so left aileron, left rudder yea?"
Me: Yep, i did say that, but it doesnt always work that way..Im sorry..i dont design them, I just fly them"
Student:" Ok, can we make this a full stop..Im confused.."..
And so on...