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Yep did that and now the judges decision is in I am willing to live with the majority decision. I still think the company structure will be the end of us but if RAA as we know it falls apart then I guess I will need to look to other options for my flying pleasure.

On a first RAA Nav, I would be expecting the instructor to be setting your route. If he is leaving it up to you then you can fly up the valley to Kilcoy via Woodford, then overfly YKCY then flying a little south of a direct track gives you safe ground beneath you all the way.

I did fly it once. It was a very windy day and I had the C140 booked but was to windy for a second session it it so took the Vixxen with an instructor. Upper airwork very forgiving more a mush than a stall in the high 20's indicated airspeed. Cruise at a very comfortable 110-115 knots. The yolk was a new experience for me having only ever been in one other plane with a yolk for just 3 circuits. I found her to be very pitch sensitive. It seemed to me to be heavy on the ailerons and very light in pitch which would take some practice and coordination. I could not see to many people who had learned on and only flown a Foxbat or similar jumping into the Vixxen without a few sessions to convert. She was a handful to land but having said that it was a fairly rough day and I did only have a couple of try's before bailing out due to the wind. I am concentrating on the C140 first best to try and learn one at a time, but personal issues have kept me on the ground for a while. Maybe next week I will get back into the air.

If he had been doing his job the bloody thing would not have broken down in the first place.!!!

$750,000 http://www.domain.com.au/news/whole-queensland-town-for-sale-for-750000-20160513-goujs4/

I filter through a Mister Funnel into a clean Jerry Can. I then pour direct to the tank. The can and the tank are plastic. Am I correct in thinking that it would be pointless to try and earth the container to the aircraft. I see no possible way to do it. ????

The never ending argument of crimp or solder always seems to leave out the option of wire wrapping. ???? Just putting this out there for consideration.

Or you could say 128 voted against it and 8000 plus did not so we go with it. As I said before lets get together and support what the majority of voting members wanted.

Max reading Dan I would be looking to the wiring for and open cct first. If it is the sender I am not sure but may have one. I will be up the hangar tomorrow and will have a look for you.

I believe that 11% of a membership voting in a non compulsory vote is in fact an excellent result. I in fact expected less than half of that, somewhere around the 5% mark. For someone who is normally so pedantic about facts Oscar, you have drawn a very long bow. To assume that because someone did not vote means they are not interested is a long stretch in anyone's imagination. Maybe they have enough confidence in the board to believe that they will make it work no matter the outcome. Maybe they felt uninformed enough to not venture an opinion. A small % would I dare say have been totally unaware of proceeding which could mean a dozen things on its own. I personally am disappointed in the outcome however as democracy has had its chance it now falls to all of us to support the decision and make it work. I hope that my own misgivings prove to have been unfounded and it appears the the majority of members believe that is the case. What has been pleasing to me was the robust discussion on this forum that in most (not all) cases managed to leave personalities at the door and discuss the facts as each member saw them. There were a couple of disappointing personal attacks but that will almost always happen in politics. Oh and any discussion involving RAA would simply not be complete without someones sniping from the side hey F_T. The beauty of F_T is that almost everyone is aware that he only fires Blanks. (Ooopps sorry was that a personal attack)?

Andy play semantics all you like but the current constitution is the old one. That is the one we are being asked to replace with a new as yet unproven one that has been shown to have flaws.

Andy I did refer to the current constitution as it stands now not what we had.

Everyone keeps saying that it was the current constitution that got us into the mess we were in. That is patently incorrect. It was the people that got us into the mess. The old constitution allowed the membership to step up and fix the problem. In that sense the old constitution worked as designed. No constitutionhowever good it is will overcome bad managers, but one has been shown to work for the members and by the members.

And I have seen no arguments to convince me that 5 or even 3 in the short term would be better than 7. Whilst I can concede that 13 is to many I believe that 3-5 is to much to quick. I have no logical reason for that but I just feel as though it is being pushed to hard for not enough benefit. Middle ground may have gottton my vote but then the proposed company structure still bothers me.

Well I have waited as long as possible to see if anything would change my mind, now it is to late as I have just sent my proxy.

Or Trucking for that matter.

That has got to be better than IOU

Bill Maybe your question should not read Can I? as only you could answer that. Maybe it should read May I? or even If I, would you answer? Pedantic I know but what the hell it is starting to rub off onto me. :)

Frank your property almost looks like a reversed image of a map of Australia.

Ask some of the Jabiru owners how they feel about that! Just sayin'

I must admit that when I read this I went scrambling for the books to see how the proxies were meant to work. It did leave me in some doubt but a few minutes in the books soon cleared it up. I didn't think this was funny even though it did get a couple of funnies.

Don you have answered most of my queries, as they mostly reflect the opinions of others who have been vocal in this and other threads. Although you have answered them I do not agree with your answers. My 3 main problems are:- 1. I strongly oppose the change of company structure. I have seen your take on it and simply don't buy it. I have seen another member based organisation go down this path and it failed miserably. 2. The number of Directors should be set at a Minimum of 7 for the first 2 years (remember we are cutting from 13. 13 to 3/5 is to much to soon.) with an election to be held within 6 weeks from passing of the resolution and directors to immediately take up appointment after the vote. (There could be an option for that to decrease to 5 after 2 years, unless the members vote to hold it at 7). Many like me are happy to decrease the number but down to 3 and maybe 5 is not acceptable. 3. The members charter and disciplinary process needs to be part of the constitution, not an add on that can be change at the whim of a few directors. Both also need time for consideration and consultation. We are just today seeing the draft disciplinary process, with no time to consider it or have input into it. Even now it is a draft, and we are voting to approve it. Not going to happen, not by me. Show us the members charter and disciplinary process, tie it to the constitution and then give us time to consider it. As I have said I am not against change per se. I am however against change without the complete detail and to be honest I do not feel there has been due consultation. So I am afraid that at this time I will have to vote against all 6 resolutions even though I am convinced that change is needed. I do not think from past experience that I could be convinced to change the company structure to the one proposed under any circumstances.

I gave Frank a funny because I think his comment is hilarious but sadly true.

With a membership of 10,000 and a participation rate in the management/politics of the association as low as not only ours, but most of these types of group are, it is almost inconcievable that you will ever end up with the perfect set of skills. Whilst all this detail is important, what is more important here is not the skill set of directors but the constitution/proposed constitution. As I see it the proposed constitution has flaws and if you want to change something as important as a constitution you need to convince me that the proposed one is better than the old one. I might be a hard sell but I am not yet convinced.

Plus 1 for that idea Ian. And I certainly do not see a problem with charging to advertise.