Adrian Lewer

night VFR J430 kit, probably around the $60K mark. I will ring jab tomorrow... Thanks Guy's

Hi Guy's yep to busy for pics, concerntrating to much. WX was the best as you would all know :big_grin:. yep next time i will call up the tower at brighton thats for sure.

Have a Scenario for you all who know to consider, I have build my own J430 under VH Experimental and have my Raa,PPL and night VFR rating. how can I fly this Aircraft at night ? what are the Requirements for this. Also What if I wanted to do a Command Instrument Rating In this aircraft and fly at night under IFR ? or even durning the day under IFR ?

Oh yeah no downwind for this airfield why,.... I don't know... Do GAAP's have downwind legs ? not sure. Man Every man and his dog will be going in. It will be chaotic on sat morning...

Go to page 26 of the air sup you will continue further down the coast to achieve an approach point for 35R or you will track inland to the container for an approach to 17L.

Hi Captain, Avalon East Has only 1 Approach point Raa can use it is LRM. If you try to use any other Approach Point A F16 Is deployed and will shoot you down before you get any further in And for Everyones Information Avalon East Tower times are 0700-1900 as per Air sup.

Hi all went on a big 'ish trip yesterday. Departed Ballarat and tracked over Lethbridge, from there tracked over my model Aircraft Club at bacchus marsh, tracked to the Altona baseball stadium, then out to the bay, round to HMAS Cerberus and imediately climbed to 3500Ft. Switched over to Moorabbin Freq, and was about to let them know of my Intentions when I was greeted by Moorabbin Tower Abusing me. (Had my Xponder on) Was not in there airspace but they had a problem with me not reporting my position.(which is fair enough but hey I am not a punching bag) So after I appologized and told them it was my first time Coastal they where a little more obliging. I intended to track over the top of Moorabbin but was asked to track to Frankston then on to tooradin. Arrived at tooradin where we had a cuppa and a rest. Not long after I was able to meet Brent and his better half. Watched a few Parachute jumps and a few students in the Jab's then it was off to Marther point, then coastal to Point Nepean then Under the step to Deakin Uni, onto Lethbridge where we had a stop another cuppa, Chat.... then it was back to Ballarat. A round trip of 3.1 Hours. We stayed for a while at Ballarat to plan the little trip to return Ians Gazelle to its new home in Bacchus Marsh then I departed With My mate following in the car. 1 hour no the knocker and i was shutting down out front of the Gazelle's new Home. All of my planning the night before was top notch and although there was buggar all wind there was still a sea breeze around and i did have to adjust my flight plan in some places but never once got off track, hell I was even on time to all of my waypoints Which is a big thing for me. Now all i need is my own plane so i can stop paying so much money to hire them...

Hi Brent, I did actually ask the Question to Graham about this and he said between the designated TWR hours only for Raa, BUT..... having said that you might as you said earlier get away with it by seeing the tower prior to departure and asking nicely.

jee wizz Brent you are sounding as Aroused as I am

Just to Clarify somthing Brent, you say "as they please" this is only BEFORE the airshow. whilst the "AIRSHOW" is happening f16's doi'n stuff Etc we are grounded. but when they pack up for the day and we want to go home it is a free for all, still with GAAP procedures. So on saturday 14 i can fly in between sun up on CTAF® or between 0700-1000 on GAAP procedures, then the airshow starts we get to sniff JET A-1 all day and i can fly out When the days flying is finished which is a gazetted time of 1600 but as Graham said it might go into a slight overtime just beware. the days flying for my day saturday will be finishing 1600 gazetted and TWR for Avalon East will be 1600-1900 of which will be GAAP rules, we can fly out in these times but anyone can fly out after 1700 as it will be CTAF® obviousely untill sundown unless you drifter is night rated

Oh baby only 40 Odd more sleeps, Is it ok to reveal I am bloody Excited..... Cant wait to say "Avalon East Jabiru 4781 reporting Little River Mouth 1000FT". Oh yeah baby.... come on in.... Ok I have regained my composure..... Good to hear Mike has the same story as Graham, If we make our entry and exits more cleanly than the GA boys we will be welcome again i dare say.

Ah good to hear you did not get lost . Maybe you can fly and navigate, I will make the Calls and we will have a Pilot between us ;) Fun Isn't it....

Hi Merv, sorry for the late reply, been busy working on getting us safely into YMAE. Yep u you got the Question, it was the answer i was looking for....

Hi All, Hold onto your hats..... He Graham Tabinar) has told me he is 100% sure on this but asked me to contact Mick Poole from Raa just to confirm but here it is..... I have Spoken to Graham Tabinar from CASA and explained the situation fully. His response was as follows. Ultralight Raa Aircraft can fly into Avalon East only. The only Exemption is for people who are putting there aircraft on display for the whole airshow, they will be allowed to fly in on Avalon Main on the appropriate day/time but like the hotel California once you are in you can not leave untill the end of the airshow, not the end of the day........ the whole airshow. People wishing to Fly in on a day trip on Raa can do so by flying into Avalon East YMAE. yo must comply with the following. We are not Required to have Xponder but if you do please ALT at 1000 MUST have Radio Fitted and use GAAP Radio Procedures. (after all this i know avalon like the back of my hand now) Aircraft who can comply with the 90Kts cruise in the holding CCT or within the Avalon area have right of way over slower A/C, slower A/C will Experience delays. All A/C who will be Crising at the 90 Kts are to do so at 1000FT this includes slower A/C Follow Inbound procedures for GAAP from LRM (little river mouth) ONLY. do not confuse little river mouth with the werribee river mouth. Follow all rules stipulated in the Air Sup for the airshow under Para 11,15 and 16. I would advise carrying all your doc's with you and become familiar with Avalon East. Because we are day visitors we have to pay entry :black_eye: I would also like to add the following, some GA pilots who hate Raa will be looking for a chance to Crucify us at any given oppertunity. so if you fly in Make it look sharper that the big ugly 172 beside you. I would also like to say.... I will have a spare seat if anyone wants the chance to come along, its ok I know where Avalon is so i wount get lost

Hi Brent, I think Avalon East is for Rec aircraft but also read main is ? I Have read all the info and it says east for U/L opps. but read that main is for U/L as well..... what a headache they should use plain english.....

Hi all got the XXXXs and am on the phone to CASA...

Hi Jr Mobile, What this means is that if an ultralight wants to fly in wether GA or Raa pilot the A/C must have an Xponder regardless if its a drifter with a GA/Raa pilot before TWR hours or a Caravan with GA/Raa Pilot inside TWR hours thats the bit i understand the rest is garbage... My old instructor told me going here would be a headache, He also said don't ding the plane (i am taking his ;) )

As far as I can see now it stands like this. Ultralight Movements are from 1900-0700 so you have a daylight gap of maybe 1 or so hours in the morning to get in and 1 or so hours at night to get out. Ultralights are Encouraged to use YMAV Main outside tower hours which are 0700-1900. operate in accordance of Para 15 and 16 Avalon East VFR arrival and departure procedures. obtain current ATIS (WTF I know what it is but can someone explain it) do i have to tell them i have listened to the current going ons at YMAV or YMAE and tell them i have received Charlie or what ever it is at the time ? SO ARE WE USING MAIN OR EAST...........

Yep Captain Wilco.

Now I am realy confused ? I was going to fly into Avalon East Approach from LRM ? at around 8-9 am ?

Ah this is doing my head in. l had a look at this document.http://www.recreationalflying.com/forum/ra-aus-forum/21605-significant-changes-ultralight-operations-avalon-airshow-2009-a.html Ians post 3rd down. As I read it I am thinking you can fly in Between 0700-1000Hrs which are GAAP Rules ? as long as you have an Xponder ? Any way I will be talking to the big boss tomorrow from Aircraft Operations Avalon and he will say Yae on Nae I have done so much reading over the last few days I know Avalon back to front and will have no problems flying in (i think). Alternatively I can just go get my bloody PPL.

I can't Wait, I am about to fulfill a life long dream :)

Yeah I cant wait, the link you gave me explained alot. all the calls Etc will be the same as going into morabbin wont they, start by giving callsign and position Etc and just follow there lead.

Hi All, I have talked about it and now I am going to do it..... Fly into Avalon for the Airshow. I have registered and will be flying in on the 14 (saturday) morning and departing the same night. I have downloaded all of the necessary documents of which i can for now. My Question to all is this, Michael from the Avalon Airshow registrations said as long as i have an Xponder and follow GAAP rules i will be allowed in... This is all good but how do i follow GAAP procedures. I understand That i Must follow the Approach points but and make calls at all of them but will i come up against any other issues ? I am planning Early as i would like all my sorting out done now rather than be a rush job. I will most likely follow the Point cook approach path.

This one is for (well mostly) you Merv, You say if you roll the aileron into the direction of the spin this will slow/stop the spin, is this because the wing that is stalled (and when a wing is stalled) the effect of controls on the stalled surface acts in reverse ? hence stopping/slowing the rate of roll ?