Kelvin

Desirable Attributes of an Aviator/Aviatrix Thanks Ian, While it may appear at this point we should take a look at where thread is going. It would be much easier if we could have a discussion in real time and have some questions and answers flowing until the 'picture' was clear to all. But, in the meantime this forum with it's limitations has given me sufficient incentive to develop three useful tools like "Good Pilot Attributes", "RA Forum Attributes-Correlation Matrix"' and RAFA Customised Beliefs & Values" previously attached in this thread. There is one more step and again I will need plenty of help with and is called "RA Pilot Maturity Grid" [ATTACH]6918.vB[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]6919.vB[/ATTACH] We can develop the five levels ourselves (it only took us a week to raise the 10 "Good Pilot Attributes") that may take us about five weeks, then we can decide where we are at and move onto doing something we think needs to happen to move our 'maturity' up to a higher level. It's just like doing physical exercises to keep fit. For example, based on our posts up until last Monday, HPD suggested we have a look at one of Budd Davisson articles on building a "solid foundation". Thats an exercise we all can do right now. Reading and talking about that article will impact on our culture if enough of us read it. More to the point, we dont need a regulator to tell us where are at with our RA culture (the way we do things as opposed to GA) or what we can do to improve it. If this helps to clarify what I"m "trying to say" I'll get back to Tony's equally thought provoking post that already has potential 'exercises' we may want think more about sometime early in 09. Kelvin (with a long way to go). Recreational Flying Good Pilot Attributes.doc Recreational Avaiation MatGrd 08.doc Recreational Flying Good Pilot Attributes.doc Recreational Avaiation MatGrd 08.doc Recreational Flying Good Pilot Attributes.doc Recreational Avaiation MatGrd 08.doc

Desirable Attributes of an Aviator/Aviatrix Thanks Yenn (again) Most common unsafe practices are gradually eliminated by individuals, enforcers and requlators when it is realised the price of risk exposure is too high. What we're looking at is a critical foundational strategy that underscores traditional safety (engineering, education and enforcement). In the case of the Dogmen there were experienced people worried about the newer Dogmen in their first few years yet to learn from incidents and near misses they all tend to go through. Rather than being critical of their inexperience the process captures the proactive energy that is always there for nurturing a culture towards safety excellence. Experience pilots know what the risks are and how to minimize them intuitively. So they share what they know and we all benefit by doing things right as best we know from sharing knowledge throughout our own flying experience. This process that has just started enables us to visualise the ideal flying enviroment in terms of culture within RA. We now have what we think makes up a "Good Pilot", how it stacks up with aquisition values along with our customised beliefs and values as they align with the aquisition values developed through a forum seen by many. It is also a tool to design our own culture. Kelvin. (with a long way to go and wondering how much others see it)

Desirable Attributes of an Aviator/Aviatrix. Thanks Mike. So what do we have here? Is it a fair attempt to make good use of a proven safety process a little better to understand within RA, using existing beliefs and values from within RA for the short/long term benefits to members of RA? Tony mentioned 7/6/08 the process may put people off and he has made a very important point. On the other hand Shell (and they dont mind me saying so) thought that capturing the 'Attributes of a Dogman' would be going over their heads but in fact it became the opposite and the Dogmen didnt have to asked twice before they were right into it. Together we changed Shell's safety audit form into an interactive document that took into account their own perceptions of 'skills based errors' that none of us expected. They took us beyond the training they'd all been throgh. We were capturing the most valuable asset they could offer through their experience in reducing risk exposure. Some of it were lessons learnt the hard way (priceless absoultly priceless it was). Twelve months later at another project with Boral the same tradesmen asked if I would be doing it (revising an audit document) again. I told them I would but this time with the Scaffolders. :off topic:When it comes to tradesmen or pilots, is there a learning, sharing, ownership difference here? Perhaps not if you consider the amount of interaction we've had with this and similar threads. The offer I'd made on the 2/6/08 in this thread still holds. Like everyone else I need positive rinforcement to put in the effort to move into other stages of the process with RA, above other time consuming enterprises. Kelvin (with a long way to go with time retraints like everyone else) .

MUSTANG a must. Mustang - To see um, to hear um is to love um. Got my fix again at the Lethbridge Air Park (YLED) Flyin Airshow 28/11/08 with compliments of the Geelong Sports Aviators. (see attachment) Kelvin - with a long way to go. Mustang at Lethbridge Air Park 28.11.08.doc Mustang at Lethbridge Air Park 28.11.08.doc Mustang at Lethbridge Air Park 28.11.08.doc

Lethbridge Flyin 29 Nov 08 Gents, Yep I'll be there and I expect to wear out a bit of leather as a guest of one of the GFC members who can't stand my walking around. Thinks it's just plain unnatural. Kelvin, with a long way to go.

Desirable Attributes of an Aviator/Aviatrix. Thanks Neville, I'd agree 'validity' has to be verified.:thumb_up: We only have done a limited survey from this forum. From that survey we have the 10 Good Pilots Attributes (what we think we do best), followed by a Correlation Matrix (verifies where we are with the foundational 10 aquisition values) and Customised Beliefs and Values (enabling us to understand our own beliefs). Ref; post on 6.6.08. Alternatively, we could have got this far with everyone at a one day seminar, so we have done exceptionally well cost wise, by going through this forum. The next step is compiling an outline for our own customised Safe Recreational Aviation Maturity Grid. With 10 values down the left column and five described levels across the page, that is 50 descriptions I'm going through right now and I'm going to need some help once I have the lowest and highest levels done for comment. Once we have the matrix finished, the real action begins with determining the level we are at for each of our 10 attributes and what we could do to go to a higher level. Above all, we stay in the 'drivers' seat as we find ways to stay safe in the air with what we are most happy to develop and even get some action going. Kelvin (with a long way to go before thinking of landing)

Desirable Attributes of an Aviator/Aviatrix. Thanks Tony. :thumb_up: It would be more encouraging if the organisers were up front with guidelines set before their survey responses materalized. In turn we'd have a better idea if it was worthwhile to participate in the first place and hopefully avoid this sort of disappointment. It should become progressively obvious that this thread 'orintation' goes way beyond pandering up to authorities because we are the direct benefactors of what we've initiated. Should we go onto the previously mentioned "Values-Driven Safety Maturity Grid" and subsequent improvement exercises, we'll definately be in the drivers seat. As I see it, our attributes, our beliefs and values, our matrix, our level/status opinions and our enhansement strategies, should underscore all our previous efforts to fly for fun. Kelvin (with a long way to go with a little encouragement)

Desirable Attributes of an Aviator/Aviatrix. Thanks Tony, :thumb_up: I guess I'd better use the smiles more often. You have put a lot of thought into this post and I need to read it again to get as much out of it as I can. Starting with clarity in the first instance. I realise there are gaps, but by invitation I'd been testing-the-waters. I'll get back to your informative thoughts as soon as. Kelvin (with a long way to go in a new discipline)

"Actual Hero with Guts" acknowledged. Thanks Tony.:thumb_up: My GA CFI crashed in a Lancair IV-T back in Dec 2002 and the final ATSB report came out Nov 2003. I concluded with his experience of 6500 hrs and 42 years in the Navy, there was no way was I going to return to flying. I changed my mind later when I found out it was an experimental aircraft. Had we a forum like this back then, someone would have mentioned that critical fact and probably I would not have tried to avoid 'the same thing happening to' me by staying grounded. Kelvin (with a long way to go and prepared to participate)

Desirable Attributes of an Aviator/Aviatrix. Thanks ROM. I guess the 'knots' have a lot to do with our perceptions being reality to us as individuals. Our beliefs and values are being constantly reinforced or challanged, particularly when someone says "Where have you been the last 10 years?". Undoing the knots is perhaps both desirable and akin to what we have been doing since you posted this quote on 29.5.08. We now have three of our own self assessment or reflection one page docs to help undo the 'knots'. We can reflect on them for further discussion, even modify, print and frame them, if we want to. They are still only half way into a mapped out process to better understand our own culture and design changes, based on our own beliefs and values. Culture changes in aviation is going to happen anyway, it just enables us I think to be a little more proactive. Kelvin (with a long way to go, hopefully without getting lost) Recreational Flying Good Pilot Attributes.doc Acquisition Values with customised ideal beliefs-values 08..doc Attributes of an Aviator-Aviatrix.doc Recreational Flying Good Pilot Attributes.doc Acquisition Values with customised ideal beliefs-values 08..doc Attributes of an Aviator-Aviatrix.doc Recreational Flying Good Pilot Attributes.doc Acquisition Values with customised ideal beliefs-values 08..doc Attributes of an Aviator-Aviatrix.doc

Desirable Attributes of an Aviator/Aviatrix. Thanks Ian,:thumb_up: I take your point about meaningless words and 'blather on' within industrial training. Unfortunately, we have many non-sensical apparitions imposed on us by well meaning practitioners dabbling in psychology all too often beyond their depth. That would be the ingredients to a point where we, being a part of this discussion forum, are caused to stray onto the 'bull phase'. Your previous post (25.5.08) on what makes a good pilot, encourages me to believe there will be little chance of us 'straying' on this thread. Most of us are much more comfortable talking about our own culture as in social science because we know plenty about it through our life experiences, particularly when it comes to flying for fun. Kelvin (with a long way to go before 'floating' on cloud nine)

Desirable Attributes of an Aviator/Aviatrix. . Thanks Neville, Given that the thread has been visited over 600 times to see whats going on, if I take the next step based on what has already been posted on thread we can align our current beliefs and values with the universal 10 aquisition values to see how it looks. [ATTACH]5826.vB[/ATTACH][ Please lets know what you think, given there a few steps to go if we want to in the interest of useful discussion. Kelvin (with a long way to go regardless of effort required) Acquisition Values with customised ideal beliefs-values 08..doc Acquisition Values with customised ideal beliefs-values 08..doc Acquisition Values with customised ideal beliefs-values 08..doc

Desirable Attributes of an Aviator/Aviatrix. Thanks Macnoz, :thumb_up: I have completed the survey after talking to Kristie and knowing it was more of a GA focus with the summary being forwarded onto CASA. However, she said she'd been aware of our thread and copied it because of its relevance to her interests and research. While we have developed something by way of a more structured approach from our own perceptions of a good pilot, it is still a tool to stimulate discussion and nothing more than that. Thats not to say there are any restrictions from taking it on board should we want to at some time later on. We have our own 10 Attributes that may be further developed through a "Customised Beliefs and Values" document followed by a "Correlation Matrix" in the coming days. We may even end up with a "Values-Driven Safety Maturity Grid" that will enable us to go on expressing views of where we are, at any given time. Kelvin (with a long way to go and avoiding restrictions where ever possible)

Desirable Attributes of an Aviator/Aviatrix. Thanks Neville. Second opinions like this, causes us to reflect on what were doing and consider refinements. :thumb_up: Regulators, I believe they are busy about dealing with recidivist and recalcitrant elements within our society after the event and being a deterrent to others before the event. What we could always do better is finding ways to promote a risk resistant culture that will tend to keep us out of the headlines, without putting too fine a point on it. We'll know how we are performing by the duration of enjoying affordable flying. Perhaps that was what's behind the invitation to comment on aviation safety compared to other industry and offer ideas and suggestions. This is what I have come up with. In reviewing the 10 attributes: 1. Human Error is Recognised and Controlled (Flyer40 8.5.08). 2. Self-imposed flying discipline is a widespread practice (Yenn 25.5.08). 3. Double checks occur naturally before deciding on an emergency response (Yenn 25.5.08). 4. Learning from others experiences is multitudinous (facthunter 25.5.08). 5. Flying enjoyment is tempered by an inherent risk exposure (High Plains Drifter 27.5.08) 6. Safety Procedures are never taken lightly (Mazda 27.5.08) 7. Courtesy is regarded as a welcomed responsibility (Mazda 27.5.08) 8. Effective decisions arise from sound situational awareness (TOSGcentral 28.5.08). 9. Pilots operate and fly within their own limits (ROM 28.5.08) 10. Pilot performance enhances aviation's reputation (Matt 28.5.08). are there any that would lead directly or inadvertently to increased flying costs:question: Kelvin (with a long way to go and hoping to get right the first time).

Desirable Attributes of an Aviator/Aviatrix. Thanks Ian (Yenn 26.5.08) There are some learning experiences to be gleaned from your 'report' through safety science and cause elements: design, enviroment and behaviour. If I may venture a little with some discussion points like; DESIGN: Limited landing distance. No braking capability. ENVIRONMENT: Heavy passanger-Higher stall speed. Obscured surface obstruction. BEHAVIOUR: Saving time and effort. I suppose at least that gives us more prevention options and control measurers. Remove anyone of these 6 causes and nothing would have happened. Are there any other causes I may have missed? Kelvin (with a long way to go and looking for more learning experiences)