Dutchroll, I thought I had posted the link to the Air France Heavy that stalled at well over flight level 300, and yet despite the captain and 2 copilots in the cockpit, and stall warning horns blaring, and stick shakers. They kept pulling back, when they just had to ease the nose down.
When i get home later today I will google the crash report and repost the link.
Those were the 3 morons I was referring to.