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Must be time to lock the thread, it's way past the informative aim of the original poster, and into personal attacks.

There has been further interesting development in the examination of the FDR and CVR of the above ill-fated B737. Investigators have discovered that the FDR and CVR both stopped recording 4 mins before the crash impact. The aircraft crashed at 0903hrs local time, but the FDR and CVR both stopped recording at 0859hrs. Ominously, the Captain reported the "bird strike" at 0859hrs. It appears that something has cut the power (including the backup power) to both the FDR and CVR at the same time. Whether that was debris ejected from a damaged engine that cut wiring or damaged electrical components, or something else, has yet to be discovered. The investigators reported that they were "surprised" to find nothing recorded by the FDR and CVR during the last 4 minutes of flight - but that the missing information, despite being desirable to have, will not prevent the investigators from examining numerous other sources of flight and crash information, to try and determine the sequence of events prior to the crash. Black boxes of crashed Jeju Air plane missing final 4 minutes of data WWW.KOREAHERALD.COM The black boxes of the Jeju Air Co. passenger plane involved in last month's fatal crash has been found to lack data from the final four minutes before the explosion, according to investigative authorities...

The "pushy" always get to the front of a photo if the photographer doesn't issue strict instructions. Just look at Trump, he shoves others aside to get front and centre of any photo opportunity.

.......something else happened during that dreadful aviation experience, that Turbo is playing down. As most NES'ers know, when Turbo tells a story, it's always......errr....."embellished" shall we say - and that there's always a lot more to the story than Turbo is prepared to reveal. So, while he's keeping the audience enthralled with stories of Churchillian bunkers, previously-unrevealed assassination attempts, secret meetings that changed the course of the worlds history, etc, etc, - the real truth of what actually happened, is far more mundane. In the case of the XT582 Tundra Microlight and the dust devil, it was actually revealed during an RS-Aus investigation (which investigation records seem to have mysteriously disappeared), that Turbo took off with BOTH legs outside the cockpit - as well as no hands on the control bar, in a daring display of showoff, gung-ho flying - which silliness led to Turbo being unable to avoid the dust devil that promptly appeared at the end of the runway, and which dust devil promptly turned the XT581 Tundra on to...........

......he's swallowed a John Laws recording, and it's on permanent playback at full speed, and the docs will have to find a way to extract it from him, possibly through his rear orifice. Either that, or he's planning to take to the stage for a historical event recreation, and he's got a............ (by the way, OT wants to know how Cappy got his number, and even more so, how he got past his sister on the switchboard? ....)

If you want to find out your phones technical capabilities, GSM Arena is the go-to site. It will give you the full technical specifications of every phone made and the important part is it will tell you the models applicable to your country. Some of the phone manufacturers produce up to about a dozen models of phones, depending on the country, because networks vary so much, world wide. It's not likely that Telstra or any other carrier gets phones specifically manufactured for them, they simply add their branding/logo to the home screen of standard phones. But the phones our carriers sell are Australian models, people get caught buying cheap phones in overseas locations, they may or not work here, and if they do appear to work, they may not have all the frequencies we use here installed. The frequencies being used here are constantly changing. There are so many 4G frequencies now, the manufacturers refer to them by a 1 or 2 digit number, instead of the actual frequency. GSMArena.com - mobile phone reviews, news, specifications and more... WWW.GSMARENA.COM GSMArena.com - The ultimate resource for GSM handset information When you find your phone model, go to "Network" and click on "Expand" at the RHS to see the range of frequencies your phone is capable of handling.

The aircraft was built in 2015, so I guess that makes it an "early" model?

The aircraft has been recovered today and taken to the mainland. The ATSB says the wreckage will be transported to Canberra for complete examination. The wind and wave conditions today were vastly better than on the day of the crash. Wreckage recovered as ATSB investigators piece together moments before Rottnest seaplane crash - ABC News WWW.ABC.NET.AU The wreckage of a seaplane that crashed off Rottnest Island on Tuesday afternoon, killing three people, has been pulled from the water and taken back to the mainland for further investigation.

I believe this is the aircraft in question, and it wears RA-Aus rego, 19-8645.

There's one factor that has come out of this crash that has made a big difference to the outcome - and that was the fact that recreational boaters were nearby, and on the scene within a minute, and helped rescue survivors from the wreckage. I note that Col Blanch, the W.A. Police Commissioner made reference to this and expressed great appreciation towards the boaties involved. These people have possibly made a substantial difference to the final number of fatalities by grabbing the pax that were within reach of the surface. The aircraft sank in 8 metres of water, but not very far away, the water is considerably shallower (3-5M), and there's a curved section of shallow rock called Natural Jetty, that runs from the Island to Phillip Rock. The Natural Jetty rock formation is fully exposed at low tide, except for about a 50M section that stays underwater. The C208 took off at what appears to be high tide. In addition, Phillip Rock used to be much higher and larger, but during WW2, when the Military controlled Rottnest Island (there are large ex-military barracks there), and Rottnest was being used as "first line of Naval Defence" (with the impressive 142 tonnes, 9.2" Naval gun still in place on Oliver Hill), a decision was made by the military that Phillip Rock posed an enemy visibility threat and needed to be lowered! Accordingly, the Rock was blasted with a substantial number of artillery shells, which reduced the Rocks height to only about a third of its original height! All that rock blasted from Phillip Rock, now litters the area around the rock. Photos - 1. Original Rock size (prior to WW2) 2. & 3. Views of the Rock today from (2) the West and from (3), the NE.

It's claimed the crashed Bearhawk weighed 421kgs empty. He must have found a lot of light composites to use in the construction! He certainly wouldn't have had much fuel capacity with pilot and passenger aboard, under RA-Aus regulations. Log into Facebook WWW.FACEBOOK.COM Log into Facebook to start sharing and connecting with your friends, family, and people you know.

......a thriving cottage industry producing wing and fuselage covering materials utilising secondhand ex-military parachutes, that were cut up and re-sewn into wing and fuselage cladding sections. However, no-one foresaw the awkward development, whereby the parachute material, which had always been designed to plummet (there's that word again) earthwards at all times, started plummetting earthwards regularly again, straight after it was used to cover microlight wings and fuselages. This rather startling result - that only occurred once the microlight had exceeded jump height - caused so much concern, a committee was formed to address the problem and find a cure. To that end, an Official Investigator was appointed, and the person chosen just happened to be another Turbine family member with extensive aviation and jump experience (he was known to jump anything, a common Turbine family failing, but we won't digress at this point), a gent named "Chute" Turbine. His real name had long been forgotten, because his nickname had been used so regularly, everyone thought it WAS his real name. He was nicknamed "Chute" because of his constant habit of indulging in that well-known wombat habit of, "eat...........

I believe only the one was produced, because after it was completed, the designer couldn't ever see the blueprints again!

The ATSB is seeking crash witness information on their site, they have a specific webpage set up for witnesses to provide details. https://www.atsb.gov.au/media/2025/rottnest-island-cessna-208-accident

Many times, it's simply the luck of the draw that determines whether people survive air crashes. Being seated in the rearmost seating appears to enhance your chances of survival in most cases, unless it's head-on into cumulus granitus.

It's the pictures that ask me to identify the items with wings, that cause me to fail every time!!

Yes, that news that the pilot is one of the deceased is correct. A major update in the link below. Three confirmed dead in Rottnest plane crash THEWEST.COM.AU Premier Roger Cook has confirmed three bodies have been recovered from the wreckage of a seaplane which crashed off Rottnest Island on Tuesday.

Not much by way of news developments. I still don't believe the aircraft hit Phillips Rock. It may have crashed into submerged rocks not far out from Phillip Rock. All the signs point to a stall on takeoff, it was struggling to make adequate airspeed once it left the water, and the port wings vicious drop points to a stalled wing. Whether that was because there was inadequate power being produced by the PT6A, or because of a piloting failure, is yet to be found. There's media fanfare about the aircraft being a "brand new plane", but the records don't show it as brand new, it was manufactured in 2016. It was "brand new" to the current owners, Swan River Seaplanes. The aircraft was built in Aug 2016, initially registered to Wells Fargo Bank as N7129S, then de-registered and purchased by Whitsunday Air Services in late Sept 2016 and re-registered as VH-WTY. Ownership of the aircraft was transferred to Swan River Seaplanes, only a bit over a week ago. There are some interesting points being raised in discussion. The maximum "demonstrated" crosswind speed listed by Cessna for the Amphibian, is 20kts. However, the POH says - "Demonstrated Crosswind Velocity is the velocity of the crosswind component for which adequate control of the airplane during takeoff and landing was actually demonstrated during certification tests. The value shown is not considered to be limiting." Despite the above, the takeoff of the aircraft in the crash was in pretty choppy water (the stated wave height limit is 61cm), and the local indicated wind speed of 25-27kts with gusts to 31-34kts certainly made the takeoff riskier than any smooth water, light wind takeoff. The operators use Thompson Bay because it's partly sheltered from Rottnests winds, which are pretty fierce in the afternoons. Takeoff weight with 7 pax should've posed no overload potential, the Amphibian is capable of carrying 10-14 pax, according to the specs. A second interesting point is the seatbelts. The pilot and co-pilot seats are fitted with 5 point harnesses. The pax only get lap-sash style belts. I would've presumed the uninjured survivor is likely to be the pilot, with his superior belt security - but I may be wrong. A third interesting point is that many aircraft operators over water, insist that crew and pax undergo training to extract themselves from submerged aircraft after ditching and crashes. It's called Underwater Egress Training, and is compulsory as part of OH&S in many corporations where employees work out to sea. It's long ago been proven that may people (pilots and pax) survive crashes into the water, but then drown when they become disoriented under water, and caught inside a sinking fuselage. You generally get a couple of minutes to escape a sinking aircraft, enough time to orient yourself and make it to the surface (if you're able to still move, of course) - provided you have UE training. I don't know if any underwater egress basic advice is given to pax on seaplanes, but I would expect it should be - comprising a more comprehensive level of advice, as compared to the escape advice on land, is given to pax on commercial flights.

.....want to buy the new travelling machines invented and displayed by Orville Turbine. However, there was a serious backlash amongst many people. "You wouldn't get me in one of those things for all the tea in China!!", said one whiskery-bearded old fella. "Those things are going to kill a lot of people!!", he added. Orville was facing a new problem, one he'd never envisaged. One of his friends came out with an astonishing statement. "You have a marketing problem", he said to Orville. "You need to create a marketing department to increase demand for your products and to make them look so highly desirable, people will clamber over each other to acquire one! In addition, you can have major 'SALES!', advertising huge discounts - right after you just ramped up the purchase price by 40%!" "Well, that's just brilliant!", said Orville in excitement. "I don't have to worry about the problematic details in my new travelling machine designs - 'marketing' will cover up all the equipment failures, recalls, deaths caused by my design errors, and stop all the lawsuits in their tracks!" And so, dear NES readers, this is why the Turbine global corporations today have such power and wealth - it's all due to Orvilles highly-developed "marketing" skills, and as a result, Turbo has become just another.......

Actually, today, it's AI talking to us via chatbots, pretending to be humans, asking us to prove we're human!

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Skippy, did you do any failure analysis on your two failed actuators to determine the exact cause of failure? You seem to blame it on cheap Chinese construction, but it may have been caused by excessive loading, or a design fault in the actuation movement, that can only be discovered by careful examination, and a reconstruction of the failure sequence. Failure analysis is an entire field in itself.

Nope, nothing. He probably got overwhelmed with feedback. I did note the article was edited very soon after I sent my email to him.

By my estimation, the aircraft was taking off in a South Easterly direction, into a SW/SSW strong afternoon wind (typical of Rottnest in the afternoon), running at 25-27kts, and gusting to 31-34 kts around 1600 HRS. The wind was coming across the Island onto the aircrafts starboard bow. Thomson Bay and Phillip Rock are on the East side of the Island.

Yeah, the ABC knows exactly what all you backyarders have been building and flying! - they've seen the videos!! (check out the best part - between 4:40 and 5:30 in the video).