Jerry_Atrick

Here is one person's take on it.. Seems like a reasonable service to many Victorians to me

I can't agree with this more.. Often the cited reasons, eg. another flight into IMC by an unqualified pilot probably tells of the symptoms, but not the problems. I had read many ATSB, AAIB, NTSB, and other governments' investigation units reports, and they all mention pressonitis, but but not how it can afflict you. Of course, while reading the stories, I was thinking I would never succumb to it. I found it afflicted me - twice. If I had of let the second event go a minute or two longer, I many not well be here to talk about it. On reflection, there were exceptional circumstances in both situations, and I was under a lot of pressure at the time. Self-reflection after the second one was a cosnscious effort to develop techniques to identify it and steer clear away from aeroplanes. One of the hard things for investigators to do is get teh reasoniong of a particular case when the pilot and passengers are dead. Over here, we have CHIRP: Summer’s coming? - CHIRP CHIRP.CO.UK I have submitted my two reports with reflections that hoepfully I and others will learn from. I know the ATSB has a self-reporting scheme but I am not sure the reports are called out in the same way.

ATSB are investigating this accident: Australian Transport and Safety Bureau investigating light plane crash that killed three people in Victoria's east - ABC News WWW.ABC.NET.AU The Australian Transport and Safety Bureau is investigating the crash in Gippsland that killed a 20-year-old pilot and two teenage passengers.

And blamedsome strike for the issue..

The problem is, if the article reads partial flight panel failure results in aircraft turning back for repcautioanry landing, who is going to read that or cause an over-reaction to Boeing's share price. (OK, they announced weaker revenues than expected.. that didn't help, either)

Good riddance to yer 😉 Just kidding of course... My mum's from Brissie, so I moved up there in the mid 90s.. After one winter of perfect weather, Ray Wilkie's continual 5 day forecasts of fine, sunny and 23.. .and near perfect flying weather.. but, decided to move back to Vic. QLD is a lovely part of the world, though.

The question how on earth did society survive before the advent of x is a furphy. It did. Does it mean society should stagnate and not progress and make it better for all members? We survived without aircraft, cars, or modern agriculture.. shall we go back to those days? You're mixing up a short attention span with a disease that affects normal functioning. A naughty kid will respond to appropriate parenting. ADHD kids (and adults) don't because they ae incapable of doing it and all that happens by not recognising and treating it is they, their family, their class are all badly affected; and so to can the generl public as it persists and intensifies (think anti-social behaviour). So, yeah, society functioned, but don't you want society to function better? I do, and it is selfish because I don't want to have to become affected by uit. That is exactly what the term screen time means.. It doesn't means staring into a blank abyss or doing their homework. What else do you think they do on the screen? History isa also littered with misplaced scepticism based on no real experience of what peopel are talking about. This is not a "new" fad... It has its origins as far back as the late 1700s and in 1902 was seminal work. ADHD History WWW.NEWS-MEDICAL.NET Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) is one of the most common neurological conditions in children, characterized by marked... But, hey in the face of easily found research, you can have your views. The science begs to differ, and I tend to follow the science.

Again, you rwelcome to your beliefs, but what evidence are you offering up to support your beliefs. Don't get me wrong, I do think that there are some people who are all to willing to try use labelling as an eexcuse for what is not actually the disease - an ADHD and anxiety disroders (as opposed to a natural anxiety reaction that is temporary and in direct response to some external stimuli) are diseases and caused amongst other things by checmical imbalances of the brain. Here is a non-academic article, for example: Anxiety Disorders: Causes, Symptoms, Treatment & Types MY.CLEVELANDCLINIC.ORG Anxiety disorders are a group of mental health conditions that cause fear, dread and other symptoms that are out of proportion to the... Some of the factors that cause it are self-inflicted and lifestyle choices - sustained mind-bending drug abuse (of which alcohol is one), or the foetal syndromes of absorbing this from the parents. For example. And yes, there is evidence that the technology devices of today do contribute to it. However, recent studies show you can get ADHD like symptoms; again they are temporary; but excessive screen time is not currrently thought to cause ADHD (but I have seen studies where it can exacerbate it. Be that as it may, even if it does cause ADHD, how is it hysteria (in this context)? It isn't some excessive fear resulting from fake or temporary symptoms. Again, I take your point that there are some people - and I have no idea if it is a minority, majority and to what extent, that are willing to label themselves or their kids with ADHD, OCD, and other anxiety disorders (ADHD is not anxiety, by the way). because it is convenient to have to take responsibility for the behaviour. But clinicians and psychiatrists are usually pretty quick to sort the wheat from the chaff - but as with all walks of life, mistakes are made as well. And yes, to control rowdy kids, parents do sometimes take to non-prescriptive drugs, or GPs, who often have little training in the area (a GP is Aus is a qualified doctor - in the UK, it is a specialty and requires a couple of years extra training post qualification). So, they may just prescribe lower level anti-depressant such as Ritalin, Valium, Prozac (sp?). . But drugs such as Sertraline, Atomoxetine and the like, which target different brain chemical imbalances, are usually only prescribed by the psychiatrist .And they have to be tightly managed per patient, because the reality, they are largely prescribed based on observable sets of symptoms, which indicate what the likley checmical imbalance is, but it isn't always and last time I read up on the subject, a) the drugs had a lead time before they started woking (4 weeks for Sertraline). And dosages are monitoried; they ususally start with small doeses and wait for the effects to determine whether or not to increase the dosage or leave it as it is. And for some, the drugs are used only to allow the patient to receive other therapy in a calm state. The main therapy is cogniitive based therapy (CBT), which is used to try and effectively reprogram the brain through the discovery of nueroplasticity - where literally the brain waves and synapse passages of through redirect through the brain. Interesting stuff - suggest everyone look it up, as it can be of great benefit even for people without a recognised mental health coondition. So, once the drugs have served their useful purpose (assuming they have and the patient is non-dependent on them), they have to come off in stages depending on their current dosage. I could go on.. but this is not the sort of stuff for the parent wanting to calm their kid's behaviour down.. And so, yes, some of them do label and go the easy option, the ones that are treated by clinicians are largely going to be fair dinkum and it is very tough to see. Spot on. Also, the nature of the drug they are on (if they are) and the impact if they forget to take it for a couple of days. Historically amphetamine based drugs were used to treat ADHD, but there is a move away from theres as technology progresses. Atomexetine is one of the main emerging drugs that treats ADHD and it is selective norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor (SNRI) that increases the amount of norepinephrine in the brain; again looking at the chemical imbalances. Amphetamines certainly have side effects and are addictive. SNRIs also have side effects, and the dosage is used to manage them with the patient's physiology. Of course, if poeple are going to resort to illegal drugs, one can't really have a conversation about it. This is spot on, but unlike it being amade up disease that people muddle though with - the reality is a lot different.. and I just wanted to address that.

When I was a kid, HIV wasn't around and then it suddenly popped up.. Does it mean that it was not an identified disease because it wasn't around? There are newly defined existing diseases all the time. And in the case of ADHD and other mentlal health sufferes making their way eventually, not all do.. in fact the issue with these diseaeses, which some people have while being high functioning, is that they can lead to other mental illnesses, such as depression and suicide.. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5371172/ Also, if there is a diagnosable and manageable condition that will help people make their way with normal rather than abnormal hinderance, why not facilitate that.. ADHD, ADD, anxiety disorders are all treatable - some don't need drugs, but CBT and practices; others need drugs to be able to receive CBT and other forms of treatment. Some who are low functioning and extreme do need drugs longer term. It helps them attain some normality which allows them to participate in activities, including flying where appropriate. There are probably many factors - diet and processed foods are linked to mental conditions (mental conditions are actually physical conditions because there is usually some impairment from chemical imbalance to damage of the brain). Increase in the use of recreational dugs of different intesnities - althouth that can also be a funtion of mental health issues. Foetal alochol/drug syndome, etc. Also, as there is much better understanding of mental health conditions, it gets communicated more. More sedentary lifestyle. Also, relatively recent advances in brain science have identified nuero-plasticity (being able to reprogram the synapses of the brainf through repetition).. so technoloigy such as social media; advertising, etc, are all probably contributing. In addition, genetics plays a role, and as the populaton grows, so too will the number of people with mental illness. Yes, there is still much research required on the different types of drugs and their use, because the brain chemistry is quite complex and drugs are approved and dispensed purely on statistical observations -unlike some drugs to treat "physical" conditions, the various different types of drugs have something like 60% efficiency.. and even in the same person, they don't always work at different time. The point about long term effects applies just as much to drugs that treat physcial conditions. Many people who are on Ibopruphen types drugs often suffer longer term issues such as stomach ulcers and renal issues. We know the opioids longer term impacts - these all treat physical conditions. Of course, you're welcome to your opinion, but this is an area where I would leave to the experts. In the sector of the industry I work in, there is a disproprtionate number of people with observable mental health conditions from Autism to the ADD/ADHD and anxiet disorders. I manage one directly and I can tell you, this is not a case of a few people just being left field. The press likely whip up a storm about the fringes... but in the middle of it, when you see the impact is really has on people, and read the science, you may change your tune. Not picking on you pesonally - your opinions are held by the vast majority of people - myself included - until I had to face it, although thankfully, at least in my adult life, not as a patient. And that is the rub... it is far more debilitating than most (not all) physical conditions.

Although not in the same league, here is one runway that was council laid

Yes it is usual.. and yes, it is bloody awful.. and a travesty.. That discussion best saved for another thread

I was thinking how does one go from straight and level into a spin... But, it could be anything from "cowboy" flying to a structural failure. So would not want to speculate at this stage.

3? These are all airports with direct commute to London (I.e. marketed as London airports), despite some being in a neighbouring county (a bit like Avalon, I guess) Heathrow Gatwick London City Luton (aka poop-hole) Stansted Southend All direct train to central London with a max travel time of 45 minutes. And all have scheduled CAT (RPT) services. Bizjet airports include Farnborough, Blackbushe, and Biggin Hill.

I think you may well have, @red750; I remember Civil, Schutts, and the others that are long gone now.

Looks like they'll beat Heathrow to a third runway by the looks of it.