Jerry_Atrick

Hmm saying ASIC didn't work in this instance is sort of like saying guns don't kill people, people kill people and those law abiding citizens who want guns won't kill anyone; and baddies will get them anyway, so let's dispense with gun control laws.. In fact our 17 year old perpetrator had a shot gun.. Did he have a license for it? I am thinking not. If not, then they clearly failed in this case, too, and therefore we should get rid of gun laws, right? In the same vein that gun laws failed, I guess ASIC did; any law and restriction is one part of the puzzle of keeping people safe. Anyone hell bent on breaking the law will, and they will either be prevented by other checks, or captured later, or get away with it. ASIC is one part of the security puzzle. The difference of course, is that guns being freely available are obviously a far bigger risk than free access to most airports in the country. Of course, free access to some airports, such as Avalon, would represent a big risk and I would accept an ASIC as part of the mix of security measures to get access to fly in there.. A line has to be drawn somewhere, though. What about Proserpine? Probably. What about Merimbula? Rex flies in an out of there with routes to Melbourne and Sydney, apparently (thought Rex went bust): https://begavalley.nsw.gov.au/services/arrivals-and-departures. Where does a pollie draw the line. We know pollies in Australia are incredibly risk averse. I would see Merimbula as low risk and not needing an ASIC to fly into, but a pollie does not want any responsibility for something bad happening would just say "stuff it.. one person ruins it for everyone rather than applying resources to police the baddies so that the goodies can enjoy their pastime." It is thus, the Australian way; drilled into us at primary school and beyond. I don't have a problem with anyone continuing with this subject, nor any other. If I am bored by it, or I see it as a proprtionate approach, I will stop reading it. If people gave up the fight for many things, even when many others accepted it, how much worse would the world be? BYW, now there is an industry around it employing many people, I can't see pollies getting rid of it.. Even the Chinese ships had their MSIC cards, evidently, as no one went to remove them. 😉

Here is one person's take on it.. Seems like a reasonable service to many Victorians to me

I can't agree with this more.. Often the cited reasons, eg. another flight into IMC by an unqualified pilot probably tells of the symptoms, but not the problems. I had read many ATSB, AAIB, NTSB, and other governments' investigation units reports, and they all mention pressonitis, but but not how it can afflict you. Of course, while reading the stories, I was thinking I would never succumb to it. I found it afflicted me - twice. If I had of let the second event go a minute or two longer, I many not well be here to talk about it. On reflection, there were exceptional circumstances in both situations, and I was under a lot of pressure at the time. Self-reflection after the second one was a cosnscious effort to develop techniques to identify it and steer clear away from aeroplanes. One of the hard things for investigators to do is get teh reasoniong of a particular case when the pilot and passengers are dead. Over here, we have CHIRP: Summer’s coming? - CHIRP CHIRP.CO.UK I have submitted my two reports with reflections that hoepfully I and others will learn from. I know the ATSB has a self-reporting scheme but I am not sure the reports are called out in the same way.

ATSB are investigating this accident: Australian Transport and Safety Bureau investigating light plane crash that killed three people in Victoria's east - ABC News WWW.ABC.NET.AU The Australian Transport and Safety Bureau is investigating the crash in Gippsland that killed a 20-year-old pilot and two teenage passengers.

And blamedsome strike for the issue..

The problem is, if the article reads partial flight panel failure results in aircraft turning back for repcautioanry landing, who is going to read that or cause an over-reaction to Boeing's share price. (OK, they announced weaker revenues than expected.. that didn't help, either)

Good riddance to yer 😉 Just kidding of course... My mum's from Brissie, so I moved up there in the mid 90s.. After one winter of perfect weather, Ray Wilkie's continual 5 day forecasts of fine, sunny and 23.. .and near perfect flying weather.. but, decided to move back to Vic. QLD is a lovely part of the world, though.

The question how on earth did society survive before the advent of x is a furphy. It did. Does it mean society should stagnate and not progress and make it better for all members? We survived without aircraft, cars, or modern agriculture.. shall we go back to those days? You're mixing up a short attention span with a disease that affects normal functioning. A naughty kid will respond to appropriate parenting. ADHD kids (and adults) don't because they ae incapable of doing it and all that happens by not recognising and treating it is they, their family, their class are all badly affected; and so to can the generl public as it persists and intensifies (think anti-social behaviour). So, yeah, society functioned, but don't you want society to function better? I do, and it is selfish because I don't want to have to become affected by uit. That is exactly what the term screen time means.. It doesn't means staring into a blank abyss or doing their homework. What else do you think they do on the screen? History isa also littered with misplaced scepticism based on no real experience of what peopel are talking about. This is not a "new" fad... It has its origins as far back as the late 1700s and in 1902 was seminal work. ADHD History WWW.NEWS-MEDICAL.NET Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) is one of the most common neurological conditions in children, characterized by marked... But, hey in the face of easily found research, you can have your views. The science begs to differ, and I tend to follow the science.

Again, you rwelcome to your beliefs, but what evidence are you offering up to support your beliefs. Don't get me wrong, I do think that there are some people who are all to willing to try use labelling as an eexcuse for what is not actually the disease - an ADHD and anxiety disroders (as opposed to a natural anxiety reaction that is temporary and in direct response to some external stimuli) are diseases and caused amongst other things by checmical imbalances of the brain. Here is a non-academic article, for example: Anxiety Disorders: Causes, Symptoms, Treatment & Types MY.CLEVELANDCLINIC.ORG Anxiety disorders are a group of mental health conditions that cause fear, dread and other symptoms that are out of proportion to the... Some of the factors that cause it are self-inflicted and lifestyle choices - sustained mind-bending drug abuse (of which alcohol is one), or the foetal syndromes of absorbing this from the parents. For example. And yes, there is evidence that the technology devices of today do contribute to it. However, recent studies show you can get ADHD like symptoms; again they are temporary; but excessive screen time is not currrently thought to cause ADHD (but I have seen studies where it can exacerbate it. Be that as it may, even if it does cause ADHD, how is it hysteria (in this context)? It isn't some excessive fear resulting from fake or temporary symptoms. Again, I take your point that there are some people - and I have no idea if it is a minority, majority and to what extent, that are willing to label themselves or their kids with ADHD, OCD, and other anxiety disorders (ADHD is not anxiety, by the way). because it is convenient to have to take responsibility for the behaviour. But clinicians and psychiatrists are usually pretty quick to sort the wheat from the chaff - but as with all walks of life, mistakes are made as well. And yes, to control rowdy kids, parents do sometimes take to non-prescriptive drugs, or GPs, who often have little training in the area (a GP is Aus is a qualified doctor - in the UK, it is a specialty and requires a couple of years extra training post qualification). So, they may just prescribe lower level anti-depressant such as Ritalin, Valium, Prozac (sp?). . But drugs such as Sertraline, Atomoxetine and the like, which target different brain chemical imbalances, are usually only prescribed by the psychiatrist .And they have to be tightly managed per patient, because the reality, they are largely prescribed based on observable sets of symptoms, which indicate what the likley checmical imbalance is, but it isn't always and last time I read up on the subject, a) the drugs had a lead time before they started woking (4 weeks for Sertraline). And dosages are monitoried; they ususally start with small doeses and wait for the effects to determine whether or not to increase the dosage or leave it as it is. And for some, the drugs are used only to allow the patient to receive other therapy in a calm state. The main therapy is cogniitive based therapy (CBT), which is used to try and effectively reprogram the brain through the discovery of nueroplasticity - where literally the brain waves and synapse passages of through redirect through the brain. Interesting stuff - suggest everyone look it up, as it can be of great benefit even for people without a recognised mental health coondition. So, once the drugs have served their useful purpose (assuming they have and the patient is non-dependent on them), they have to come off in stages depending on their current dosage. I could go on.. but this is not the sort of stuff for the parent wanting to calm their kid's behaviour down.. And so, yes, some of them do label and go the easy option, the ones that are treated by clinicians are largely going to be fair dinkum and it is very tough to see. Spot on. Also, the nature of the drug they are on (if they are) and the impact if they forget to take it for a couple of days. Historically amphetamine based drugs were used to treat ADHD, but there is a move away from theres as technology progresses. Atomexetine is one of the main emerging drugs that treats ADHD and it is selective norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor (SNRI) that increases the amount of norepinephrine in the brain; again looking at the chemical imbalances. Amphetamines certainly have side effects and are addictive. SNRIs also have side effects, and the dosage is used to manage them with the patient's physiology. Of course, if poeple are going to resort to illegal drugs, one can't really have a conversation about it. This is spot on, but unlike it being amade up disease that people muddle though with - the reality is a lot different.. and I just wanted to address that.

When I was a kid, HIV wasn't around and then it suddenly popped up.. Does it mean that it was not an identified disease because it wasn't around? There are newly defined existing diseases all the time. And in the case of ADHD and other mentlal health sufferes making their way eventually, not all do.. in fact the issue with these diseaeses, which some people have while being high functioning, is that they can lead to other mental illnesses, such as depression and suicide.. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5371172/ Also, if there is a diagnosable and manageable condition that will help people make their way with normal rather than abnormal hinderance, why not facilitate that.. ADHD, ADD, anxiety disorders are all treatable - some don't need drugs, but CBT and practices; others need drugs to be able to receive CBT and other forms of treatment. Some who are low functioning and extreme do need drugs longer term. It helps them attain some normality which allows them to participate in activities, including flying where appropriate. There are probably many factors - diet and processed foods are linked to mental conditions (mental conditions are actually physical conditions because there is usually some impairment from chemical imbalance to damage of the brain). Increase in the use of recreational dugs of different intesnities - althouth that can also be a funtion of mental health issues. Foetal alochol/drug syndome, etc. Also, as there is much better understanding of mental health conditions, it gets communicated more. More sedentary lifestyle. Also, relatively recent advances in brain science have identified nuero-plasticity (being able to reprogram the synapses of the brainf through repetition).. so technoloigy such as social media; advertising, etc, are all probably contributing. In addition, genetics plays a role, and as the populaton grows, so too will the number of people with mental illness. Yes, there is still much research required on the different types of drugs and their use, because the brain chemistry is quite complex and drugs are approved and dispensed purely on statistical observations -unlike some drugs to treat "physical" conditions, the various different types of drugs have something like 60% efficiency.. and even in the same person, they don't always work at different time. The point about long term effects applies just as much to drugs that treat physcial conditions. Many people who are on Ibopruphen types drugs often suffer longer term issues such as stomach ulcers and renal issues. We know the opioids longer term impacts - these all treat physical conditions. Of course, you're welcome to your opinion, but this is an area where I would leave to the experts. In the sector of the industry I work in, there is a disproprtionate number of people with observable mental health conditions from Autism to the ADD/ADHD and anxiet disorders. I manage one directly and I can tell you, this is not a case of a few people just being left field. The press likely whip up a storm about the fringes... but in the middle of it, when you see the impact is really has on people, and read the science, you may change your tune. Not picking on you pesonally - your opinions are held by the vast majority of people - myself included - until I had to face it, although thankfully, at least in my adult life, not as a patient. And that is the rub... it is far more debilitating than most (not all) physical conditions.

Although not in the same league, here is one runway that was council laid

Yes it is usual.. and yes, it is bloody awful.. and a travesty.. That discussion best saved for another thread

I was thinking how does one go from straight and level into a spin... But, it could be anything from "cowboy" flying to a structural failure. So would not want to speculate at this stage.

3? These are all airports with direct commute to London (I.e. marketed as London airports), despite some being in a neighbouring county (a bit like Avalon, I guess) Heathrow Gatwick London City Luton (aka poop-hole) Stansted Southend All direct train to central London with a max travel time of 45 minutes. And all have scheduled CAT (RPT) services. Bizjet airports include Farnborough, Blackbushe, and Biggin Hill.

I think you may well have, @red750; I remember Civil, Schutts, and the others that are long gone now.

Looks like they'll beat Heathrow to a third runway by the looks of it.

Jeez.. Condolensces to friends and family...

I meant to mention Lilydale as well.. Very nice airfield. The farm and Coldstream airport came up for sale not too long ago. Sadly, out of my price range: https://www.realestate.com.au/sold/property-acreage+semi-rural-vic-coldstream-144258008

HI @SQUWAK 3886, Belated welcome to the forum. I had a hiatus when I left Aus, and got back into it; it is great fun. Between Moorabbin and Coldstream? Whereabouts do you live? I learned to fly at RVAC, between Moorabbin and Coldstream when they took it over (yeah - I am old). But, as my instructor incorporated aeros into my PPL, we cross-hired Peter Bini's Super Decatholon for the inverted fuel system and it came with a constant speed prop making loops a breeze. Peter Bini then was a great school, and if I didn't have such a great instructor (thanks, Dick) and wanted a proper club, Bini's would have been my choice. Have you decided on a school/location, yet? If not, here's my not si humble opinion (to be taken with less than a pinch of salf, since I haven't flowin in Aus for almost 30 years). It is assuming GA flying rather than RAAus flying: Moorabbin: Where I lived, it was closer and sort of easier. But, it will depend where you live. Thee is virtually no such thing as a cross-wind with the runaways available. You get experience at controlled airports, if not controlled airpsace, as well as learning very quickly how to deal wioth sense traffic, slotting in, and the like. You've settled on a school there, but I would suggest still joinging what I think is the oldest continual aeroclub in the world, the RVAC.. the social scene is (or was) excellent. Is it Kingswood part that is just outside the airport on the other side of (lower/central) Dandenong Road, and a BBQ after a summer's flight is lovely. Of course, it has long runways (is 18/35 1800m?). And of course, you will meet a lot of people and the opportunities for all sorts of different flying is fantastic. The down sides? Not too many, but you are spoilt, so when you need to really do short fields onto rough airstrips, it will be a learning experience, especially on gravel (which is what Coldstream used to be). And of course, you can be held up in the run upas and waiting to enter the runway, burining $ not doing too much. The training area (is that still a thing?) is only about 750 sq kms. But, my favourite memory of flying at Moorabbin was, after a tough day at work in summer, taking off into a sunny evening and doing aeros with Port Philip Bay on one side, and Western Port on the other while I was throwing the plane about. Coldstream: Well, RVAC vacated it years ago (actually,I used to volunteer at the desk when RVAC took it over). Obvviously, you're rarely going to be holding for a run-up or runway. 750sq kms of a training area at Moorabbon sounds a lot, but try over 2,200sq kms over the beautiful Yarra Valley (and you can even fly over my mum's house). You are going to spend more time in the air - no doubt. The shorter runway are no issue for the Warriors I was flying at the time, and you are going to learn how to handle cross-winds and short field take offs and landings. You'll be making blind calls and developing a keen sense of how to spot other aircraft in a sparesly trafficked area; all of which is more common for the private pilot than the likes of Moorabbin. When I was on the desk at Coldstream, there was initially a little bad blood with those who were part of the previous school/club, but they got over it very quickly, and it was a close knit flying community and very welcoming. So, while the RVAC was a great club, there was some clique which wasn't at Coldstream. While it's relatively rare the wind will stop you taking off and landing at Moorabbin, it is far more common with one shorter runway. Between Steele Mountain (?) and the hills on the other side, fog and low cloud will ground you more than in Moorabbin, except in the evenings, where Moorabbin can be susceptible to onshore mosit winds that generate a bit of fog. That's usually only a problem for nigth VFR flight. And, of course, if you are going to be doing any instrument flying, forget Coldstream. And of course, of you get yourself a plane, parking is going to be a lot cheaper (hangar space is almost impossible). I believe the runway has been upgraded and lengthened since I was at Coldstream, but I would have said gravel is not bad to learn on.. Best of luck whichever way you go.

This is a mem I wouldn't mind: OK - not silly or funny, but, I am scraping the barrel.

OK, my shareoplanes have been in the UK, but here are my observations: @sfGnome's post is spot on. You want easy goign members not afraid to spend when it is needed. However, many tight-posteriors go for syndicates to get cheap flying, so beware. Having said that, one of my cardinal requirements is there can't have been a cash call for routine maintenance. One of the benefits of a syndicate is that you put enough in your monthly sub and hourly rate to cover most routine maintenance. The only exception is my TB20 syndicate, where the costs are clearly not designed to do that and the Shareholder's agreement explicitly states so. Your syndicate is only as good as its crappiest member, and I would prefer the crappiest member to be me. To be honest, the syndicates I have been members of have been normally pretty good, and yes, I have been the TB20 Syndicate's crappiest member (though I became a member because the ejected a member for doign a gear-up landing). Every other syndicate member is miles more experienced than me.. there is a PPL - yes PPL, with out 10,000 hours... On the hourly rate of the TB20, that is 1.25 million he has spent flying (in todayy's money) over the journey. Nuts. But, in a PA28 group I was in, we let some fellow in, who wasn't too dangerous, but a pain. Overtightened the dipstick, left theplane grotty, and after we spent £17K on a respray, dinged one of the wings. I left that syndicate not long after he joined, but he was ejected from the syndicate. This wil depend on your personality, but I prefer syndicates that are flexible. As soon as I hear you can only have the aircraft at most 5 days in the month, and that you have to seek permission to sell your share and that the group sets the sale price, I walk away,. Some people prefer the regimented life, but not me. And I don't care if there is no formal written share agreement; you find that most flexible syndicates are like that because the members are usually flexible themselves and accomodating; the ones with strict rules tend to have a cowboy or two so need those rules. I hgave found there should be a separate admin/CEO type, and maintenance leader. I was in a syndicate where there was one leader who looked after everything and the plane ended up more grounded than not. One of the great things about syndicates is that there is usually someone who loves the admin, someone who loves the maintenance, but they accept other members joining in on that stuff if they want to. I love these syndicates, because, to be frank, I can't be posteriored with all of that; I want to take the covers off, check the papeerwork, and just go flying. Finally, and thius is probablky more for the UK than Aus, because the UK does not have the club scene to anywhere near the same extent as Aus; find a syndicate where you get on with most of the pilots. One thing I found out about myself when I got my license and went flying further afield, is that I prefer it in the company of others; and better still, especially when that another is a member I get on well with. I did London --> Le Touquet --> Luxembourgh --> Cologne --> Cherbourg --> London in a day, it is nice to have another pilot to do the alternating legs, especially one that you get on with. Have done a few longer tours with other members. So, make sure you get on with a few of the members. Optimal number of members? Its going to depend on you. Of course, the more members, in theory, less availability. But don't believe that. All syndicates I have been in have been 8 members.. And all of them had at least two that rarely, if ever, flew. I can count the times with my fingers in over 10 years of syndicate ownership the aircraft wasn't available when I needed it. And of course, if you're in a syndicate that is flexible and reaosnable, you can email the pilot who has booked it when you really need it, and ask if it is OK to swap. Although I haven't written the email, I have received two, and yeah, it was no problem. If your mission requires more than one type of aircraft, then Syndicates can be a great way of getting access to different typles of planes for the priceof one. There is a bloke in the TB20 syndicate that has a share in a twin and a Pitts, I think.. There are pitfalls - mainly around having cowboys/cowgirls in the group, and I would recommend meeting any new prosepct rather than leaving it to the head honcho. I can't speak for Aussie aviation law, but in the UK, syndicates are far more prevalent than Aus (at least when I left in the mid 90s), and they tend to be either private companies, or trusts. If you have a provate company, there may be GST implications.

Hey, this is like Hotel California - you can check outm, but you can never leave 😉 Stay and participate with the forums - they are more light sports than PPL, but you learn a hell of a lot, as I have (I am based int he UK, although an Aussie). And the forumites are friendly..

The internet is a wonderful thing these days. Rio aviation at Terlingua airport may do something for you, but I think you may want to take a wander (or mosey) to Lajitas (I am guessing pronounced La-Hitas) as theere may be an FBO there that can help. A private pilot is just that - someone who can fly privately - not commercially.. Consider us PPLs, amateurs - in my case, a rank amateur...

Hey Drexus, This is predominantly an Aussie flying forum, but a few international memebers are abouts. Where abouts in West Texas are you from? I haven't been there for years, but there are a couple of things you want to think about first: You may want to read the FAR (Federal Aviation Regulations). They will give you an idea of the rules of aviation. Although, paying a private pilot for a flight can only be done under a cost sharing arrangement (https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-21-285). So you will have to find a PPL who will want to share the cost with you, or you may be risking his or her licence and they may not be very comfortable with it. I am guessing the request is not to fly you to your flying lessons (El Paso has some great schools - I flew there about 28 years ago). My advice would be to get your PPL ASAP and fly yourself (of course, when you have got enough hours and experience post PPL, and when the weather permits). You can go to a flying school and they may have an AOC (when I flew there, the schools had to have an AOC, but they may no longer be requied to). Note, I flew as a PPL; nothing commerical. They may fly you but it will be commercial rates; but at the end of the day, the US commercial rates are usually not bad compared to many other countries. But of all things, remember, a licence is a licence to learn - you start with a full bucket of luck and empty bucket of experience, and hope the experiencce bucket fills before the luck bucket runs out. If you want to try and track someone down to see if they will cost share, getting to a local club or school may yield results - depends on the school, club, or FBO (note, if some agrees and theyt aren't instrument rated, you will be at the mercy of good weather, and even if they are, your risks in a single pilot IFR, single engine private flight in inclement weather increases sginificantly). I would recommend watcing some of Pilot Debrief's vids on youtube - this bloke is an ex USAF safety investigator and you want to go into such an arrangement with your eyes wide open: https://www.youtube.com/@pilot-debrief/videos (BTW, fellow forumites, his last video is the missionary aviator who used to post clips on these forums.. interesting stuff). Best of luck with your flying. You are in one of the best countries for PPL flying. You have a plethora of airspace and airfields and, as my US aviation medical examiner said, "where else in the world does the taxpayer willingly subsidise what we love doing?" The FAA, like every regulator has its foibles, but what other regulator publishes and provides for free, the theory required for virtually all of its licences (not sure about the ATPL, though). Here is the PPL theory: https://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/handbooks_manuals/aviation/phak

Although i had moved down, still at Fairoaks with my Warrior shareoplane I think it took part with another member flying it