Jerry_Atrick

Thanks, @skippydiesel - I know others are bored by it, but it is a fundamental right to express discourse at government policy, and continue to do so if you feel wronged. Of course, this is a private forum and those entrusted with moderation can close it down, but I knew what this was before I clicked into the thread, and if I was that affronted by it, I simply wouldn't have clicked. But, I agree with Nev.. so far, you have pursued both organisational and direct representation. For some reason, the organisations have decided not to pursue - maybe they have been told it is flogging a dead horse by the relevant department (it's not CASA, but some other department that is responsible). But that doesn't mean you (or anyone else who feels passionately wronged) should give up. What are your options? Here's a couple that may or may not be pragmatic: Go to the press. This is unlikely to be a vote winner of any consequence, so the bigger outlets are unlikely to take it on, esp during a federal election, but try some nice journals that are complimentary to aviation such as the yachties ones, gun runners, and the like.. Cross pollination can help.. Also, look for a situation that has occurred where the ASIC resulted in some hardship, especially disproportionate to the risk it is supposedly mitigating.. did someone crash and die in deteriorating weather by possibly making a decision to divert to a non-ASIC required aerodrome when an ASIC one would have been better (look up Strasser scheme in the UK, where Strasser managed to convince regional RPT airports in the UK to waive extortionate fees in the case of real emergencies as pilots were crashing and dying as a result of diverting to less suitable airfields). Go on Social media - YT, Tick Tock and the like and do the press thing yourself. You would be surprised at how much of a following you can get if it resonates. And with a following, you become the representative. Find a pollie that is in some way affected by it and lobby that politician. GA were complaining here for years at the erosion of their plight to all sorts of pollies until someone realised the one they should be complaining to is the one that has a PPL (Grant Schapps).. Next thing, he is a senior minister with a portfolio over the CAA and things did improve slightly. Yes, Dick Smith tried it at the helm, but he wasn't an elected pollie. Maybe join one of the major political parties (the one more likely than not to be in government - regardless of your affiliations) and try and engineer change from within. Again, this is not a vote winner, so this will probably not yield great results for the effort. Go streaking across your nearest international airport with a banner saying stop asic at regional airports. You can be guaranteed some publicity (and a few nights in jail - so maybe take this one in the way it is intended - not an incitement). But, you can organise protests... Seriously, you are fighting a big machine that saw points in implementing it and very few points in removing it. There are many on here (myself included) that support your position. But even collectively, that is not a large number and we are already converted.. Need to preach to the unconverted with as many converted visible as possible. It will be a long process.

Per km traveled wouldn't be a good comparison as fixed wing has to go forward for lift to be generate; helicopters in normal ops will hover, reverse, etc. Straight number of accidents per year is also not a good measure as it doesn't take into account the rate of change of a) number of air-frames added/removed from the population, nor rate of change of hours flown. If the fleet is flying more hours, it is likely to have more accidents. Here is an interesting vid; I had no idea about mast bumping...

Always prefer false alarms to the real thing

Isn't it a shame they have to disclaim the article, though

Yes.. best wishes for a speedy and full recovery (pls, no pun intended)..

Well, yeah...we are still interested. Not quite the response I was expecting, but it taught me I need to learn to read people - I wold not cottoned onto them having ADHD, ADD, autism, or the like. I thought it was a cool video of making one heck of a plane.

er.. maybe I will wait till it matures

I had never heard of TDS until now... When I saw what the acronym stood for, my immediate reaction was it meant those who are blindly supporting him no matter what he does. Of course, not. It is yet another pejorative term nutcases come up with when they can't rationally defend their positions, and is usually a reflection of themselves rather than the people the try to denigrate. Here is something interesting: Trump derangement syndrome - Wikipedia EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG And, yes, Wikipedia isn't always accurate, but I thought this was an interesting quote: "Despite the usage of the term syndrome suggesting a medical condition, TDS is not an official medical diagnosis.[7] A 2021 research study found no evidence to support the existence of TDS among Trump detractors on the left, but instead found bias among his supporters.[8] A bill seeking to classify TDS as a mental illness was introduced in the Minnesota Senate by Republicans in March 2025. However, it is currently not recognized as a mental illness in any U.S. state. " (my bold). I guess the next allegation was the research was conducted by myopic left loonies, as if the MAGA maniacs are all critical thinking logical and objective. For the record, I don't in principle disagree with many of his policies; it is the execution of them and the ulterior motives or "unintended" consequences I have a problem with.

This thread is already 63 pages in on SocialAustralia: What has Trump done now? - Page 63 - Politics - Social Australia WWW.SOCIALAUSTRALIA.COM.AU And another for the more fundamental consequences: Chump's Consequences - Page 2 - Politics - Social Australia WWW.SOCIALAUSTRALIA.COM.AU

Same here, but I don't call the time a waste... well.. not totally 😉

For the record, the shares are in the village pub, which is a community pub - not really for profit and owned for the benefit of the community. I am off to the AGM tonight to cause a little raukus (manbe aukus), because it is currently seemingly being run for the benefit of the more snobby part of the village and they are now losing money. Sadly, the beers on tap have been changed and are not exactly what I would call good, let alone great. Not too far from us (about 2 miles) is the Quantock brewery which does sell quite good ales, bitters, and porters. Also on Thursday eves, the pizza van turns up.. not cheap, but they manage to pack a carpark of drinkers and eaters in an industrial estate! Link to the community pub: The New Inn Halse - New Inn, Halse, Taunton, Somerset WWW.NEWINNHALSE.COM Welcome to the New Inn, our 18th-century community owned coaching inn offering Restaurant, Bar and Cafe service. We also have five...

Let me know when and where and we'll try and catch up for a drink! If you're visiting in the SW, welcome to stay at our bolt hole for a bit

I will be going to Portland in the next month or so because a friend of mine has been struck by an illness, but will be using non US airlines as much as possible and hopefully a non-US owned car hire place. I worked extensively in the US in the late 90s and early 2000s, it had its problems - more than it should - but it was a great place. But one thing I did notice is that despite how "politically active" they claim to be, how ignorant they are of many things domestically and internationally.

Yep.. Another reason to start looking at more reliable countries to do business with. It's not just the pollies, but the people, also. Welcome back to the mother country 😉

I think you should re-read my post as I was using it to support your position.. And yes, the gun analogy in this context does work because, including yourself, people assert ASIC didn't work in this case; as it transpires, neither did the gun laws.

Hmm saying ASIC didn't work in this instance is sort of like saying guns don't kill people, people kill people and those law abiding citizens who want guns won't kill anyone; and baddies will get them anyway, so let's dispense with gun control laws.. In fact our 17 year old perpetrator had a shot gun.. Did he have a license for it? I am thinking not. If not, then they clearly failed in this case, too, and therefore we should get rid of gun laws, right? In the same vein that gun laws failed, I guess ASIC did; any law and restriction is one part of the puzzle of keeping people safe. Anyone hell bent on breaking the law will, and they will either be prevented by other checks, or captured later, or get away with it. ASIC is one part of the security puzzle. The difference of course, is that guns being freely available are obviously a far bigger risk than free access to most airports in the country. Of course, free access to some airports, such as Avalon, would represent a big risk and I would accept an ASIC as part of the mix of security measures to get access to fly in there.. A line has to be drawn somewhere, though. What about Proserpine? Probably. What about Merimbula? Rex flies in an out of there with routes to Melbourne and Sydney, apparently (thought Rex went bust): https://begavalley.nsw.gov.au/services/arrivals-and-departures. Where does a pollie draw the line. We know pollies in Australia are incredibly risk averse. I would see Merimbula as low risk and not needing an ASIC to fly into, but a pollie does not want any responsibility for something bad happening would just say "stuff it.. one person ruins it for everyone rather than applying resources to police the baddies so that the goodies can enjoy their pastime." It is thus, the Australian way; drilled into us at primary school and beyond. I don't have a problem with anyone continuing with this subject, nor any other. If I am bored by it, or I see it as a proprtionate approach, I will stop reading it. If people gave up the fight for many things, even when many others accepted it, how much worse would the world be? BYW, now there is an industry around it employing many people, I can't see pollies getting rid of it.. Even the Chinese ships had their MSIC cards, evidently, as no one went to remove them. 😉

Here is one person's take on it.. Seems like a reasonable service to many Victorians to me

I can't agree with this more.. Often the cited reasons, eg. another flight into IMC by an unqualified pilot probably tells of the symptoms, but not the problems. I had read many ATSB, AAIB, NTSB, and other governments' investigation units reports, and they all mention pressonitis, but but not how it can afflict you. Of course, while reading the stories, I was thinking I would never succumb to it. I found it afflicted me - twice. If I had of let the second event go a minute or two longer, I many not well be here to talk about it. On reflection, there were exceptional circumstances in both situations, and I was under a lot of pressure at the time. Self-reflection after the second one was a cosnscious effort to develop techniques to identify it and steer clear away from aeroplanes. One of the hard things for investigators to do is get teh reasoniong of a particular case when the pilot and passengers are dead. Over here, we have CHIRP: Summer’s coming? - CHIRP CHIRP.CO.UK I have submitted my two reports with reflections that hoepfully I and others will learn from. I know the ATSB has a self-reporting scheme but I am not sure the reports are called out in the same way.

ATSB are investigating this accident: Australian Transport and Safety Bureau investigating light plane crash that killed three people in Victoria's east - ABC News WWW.ABC.NET.AU The Australian Transport and Safety Bureau is investigating the crash in Gippsland that killed a 20-year-old pilot and two teenage passengers.

And blamedsome strike for the issue..

The problem is, if the article reads partial flight panel failure results in aircraft turning back for repcautioanry landing, who is going to read that or cause an over-reaction to Boeing's share price. (OK, they announced weaker revenues than expected.. that didn't help, either)

Good riddance to yer 😉 Just kidding of course... My mum's from Brissie, so I moved up there in the mid 90s.. After one winter of perfect weather, Ray Wilkie's continual 5 day forecasts of fine, sunny and 23.. .and near perfect flying weather.. but, decided to move back to Vic. QLD is a lovely part of the world, though.

The question how on earth did society survive before the advent of x is a furphy. It did. Does it mean society should stagnate and not progress and make it better for all members? We survived without aircraft, cars, or modern agriculture.. shall we go back to those days? You're mixing up a short attention span with a disease that affects normal functioning. A naughty kid will respond to appropriate parenting. ADHD kids (and adults) don't because they ae incapable of doing it and all that happens by not recognising and treating it is they, their family, their class are all badly affected; and so to can the generl public as it persists and intensifies (think anti-social behaviour). So, yeah, society functioned, but don't you want society to function better? I do, and it is selfish because I don't want to have to become affected by uit. That is exactly what the term screen time means.. It doesn't means staring into a blank abyss or doing their homework. What else do you think they do on the screen? History isa also littered with misplaced scepticism based on no real experience of what peopel are talking about. This is not a "new" fad... It has its origins as far back as the late 1700s and in 1902 was seminal work. ADHD History WWW.NEWS-MEDICAL.NET Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) is one of the most common neurological conditions in children, characterized by marked... But, hey in the face of easily found research, you can have your views. The science begs to differ, and I tend to follow the science.

Again, you rwelcome to your beliefs, but what evidence are you offering up to support your beliefs. Don't get me wrong, I do think that there are some people who are all to willing to try use labelling as an eexcuse for what is not actually the disease - an ADHD and anxiety disroders (as opposed to a natural anxiety reaction that is temporary and in direct response to some external stimuli) are diseases and caused amongst other things by checmical imbalances of the brain. Here is a non-academic article, for example: Anxiety Disorders: Causes, Symptoms, Treatment & Types MY.CLEVELANDCLINIC.ORG Anxiety disorders are a group of mental health conditions that cause fear, dread and other symptoms that are out of proportion to the... Some of the factors that cause it are self-inflicted and lifestyle choices - sustained mind-bending drug abuse (of which alcohol is one), or the foetal syndromes of absorbing this from the parents. For example. And yes, there is evidence that the technology devices of today do contribute to it. However, recent studies show you can get ADHD like symptoms; again they are temporary; but excessive screen time is not currrently thought to cause ADHD (but I have seen studies where it can exacerbate it. Be that as it may, even if it does cause ADHD, how is it hysteria (in this context)? It isn't some excessive fear resulting from fake or temporary symptoms. Again, I take your point that there are some people - and I have no idea if it is a minority, majority and to what extent, that are willing to label themselves or their kids with ADHD, OCD, and other anxiety disorders (ADHD is not anxiety, by the way). because it is convenient to have to take responsibility for the behaviour. But clinicians and psychiatrists are usually pretty quick to sort the wheat from the chaff - but as with all walks of life, mistakes are made as well. And yes, to control rowdy kids, parents do sometimes take to non-prescriptive drugs, or GPs, who often have little training in the area (a GP is Aus is a qualified doctor - in the UK, it is a specialty and requires a couple of years extra training post qualification). So, they may just prescribe lower level anti-depressant such as Ritalin, Valium, Prozac (sp?). . But drugs such as Sertraline, Atomoxetine and the like, which target different brain chemical imbalances, are usually only prescribed by the psychiatrist .And they have to be tightly managed per patient, because the reality, they are largely prescribed based on observable sets of symptoms, which indicate what the likley checmical imbalance is, but it isn't always and last time I read up on the subject, a) the drugs had a lead time before they started woking (4 weeks for Sertraline). And dosages are monitoried; they ususally start with small doeses and wait for the effects to determine whether or not to increase the dosage or leave it as it is. And for some, the drugs are used only to allow the patient to receive other therapy in a calm state. The main therapy is cogniitive based therapy (CBT), which is used to try and effectively reprogram the brain through the discovery of nueroplasticity - where literally the brain waves and synapse passages of through redirect through the brain. Interesting stuff - suggest everyone look it up, as it can be of great benefit even for people without a recognised mental health coondition. So, once the drugs have served their useful purpose (assuming they have and the patient is non-dependent on them), they have to come off in stages depending on their current dosage. I could go on.. but this is not the sort of stuff for the parent wanting to calm their kid's behaviour down.. And so, yes, some of them do label and go the easy option, the ones that are treated by clinicians are largely going to be fair dinkum and it is very tough to see. Spot on. Also, the nature of the drug they are on (if they are) and the impact if they forget to take it for a couple of days. Historically amphetamine based drugs were used to treat ADHD, but there is a move away from theres as technology progresses. Atomexetine is one of the main emerging drugs that treats ADHD and it is selective norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor (SNRI) that increases the amount of norepinephrine in the brain; again looking at the chemical imbalances. Amphetamines certainly have side effects and are addictive. SNRIs also have side effects, and the dosage is used to manage them with the patient's physiology. Of course, if poeple are going to resort to illegal drugs, one can't really have a conversation about it. This is spot on, but unlike it being amade up disease that people muddle though with - the reality is a lot different.. and I just wanted to address that.