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No Jumbos were involved TP. Beoing 767 and 707 are near identical in weights and fuel load... http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/boeing_707_767.html

It makes me feel sick to know this and look at my daughter....

YOU DON'T WANT THE TRUTH... Once you realize (and if you look with an open mind you WILL) that this was an inside job... you won't forget. I wish I didn't. It wasn't just GW Bush... What about the Australian Wheat Board. Anyone really believe our Government didn't know?

Any chance the " enquiry into staff conditions of service" is anything to do with the "rumour" that a former employee was given almost $100k to relocate their household? Anyone heard anything?

Not cool Adam. Not at all cool. If your child's mum says no... IT IS NO. Don't be silly and muddy things with Lawyers etc Suck it up and think of your kids.

It was confirmed by a current Board Member... Registration Update: Hi Guys, I have some more information. Apparently the office stopped sending out renewals when our authority was removed. That means there is a large backlog, and a real risk for those who don't check their expiry date of flying illegally.

Not a very complimentary description of the Pilots actions in this crash... I won't call it an accident because it wasn't if the press report and the grape vine is any indication. This is more tragic for those poor kids who witnessed this IMO.

Has Ra-Aus itself officially informed the membership that they are not sending out renewal notices? Or is that not true? It came from a standing Board Member.

The aircraft in the photo appears to have a tailwheel... Not sure it is a C182.

Thanks for the update John. It is truly appreciated. Is it just me or does this seem quit bizarre to read Johns words after the update on the Ra-Aus Website??? Perhaps not outright disinformation but CERTAINLY NOT THE IMPRESSION THIS UPDATE PRESENTS IMO.

Oh... And Good Work Jaspers Crew. Again!

Good work Rocketeer.

True... How long ago was that course run now? And what sort of follow up has there been with the participants?

Of course... Past behaviour is not at all forgiven... I hope not forgotten.

Regardless... It certainly leaves a bad taste in my mouth... Maybe this is all a white wash... But this to me is the Crux of it.. It seems that there is some sort of break down here... I mean it is time to lay ALL the cards on the table... I have no doubt that the last 2 years have been hard on ALL Board Members... Factions may have been formed... It is time to move beyond that and face reality... HQ....based upon detailed discussion with people who claim to have seen "inside"... is a miss mash. It is certainly not the Office Staffs Fauilt... And the CEO says it is not his responsibility!!! But he has resigned... And Ra-Aus has no idea or plan on who or how to go about employing one because... like I said.... MISS MASH. Am I correct or not? Can anyone confirm that it is just work overload or do the office have to spend 2 weeks searching through all the BS to just employ someone??? What gives? People are seriously worried about their livelihoods here.!!! I may not be one of them but it has gone beyond a simple meeting in February and get it all sorted out type of deal to these people... Something needs to change... It is certainly good to hear that there are members in Canberra helping sort the mess.... Either way the paperwork is going to have to be put in order at HQ... So you guys are true champions for helping get it ready.

I find it appalling... We have only scratched the surface of the BS that has occurred. I can't see how it isn't going to end up in the hands of lawyers. People who seem to truly know what has gone on are literally crxxxing themselves about the future prospects of the organization.... I believe there is a pretty good record of many of the events.... if any of the rumours are true I think the Executive and pretty much most of the Board (sorry I don't want to single any one out- you good one should truly know who you are) are in way over their heads and may be digging themselves a serious legal pile of trouble...

How would you feel if you had a problem with say... the Committee for your Child's day care and say that half a dozen or so of those committee members were Freemasons? Would it affect your perception of their judgement and impartiality?

Just a little thread to ask who amongst us Aviators is also a Freemason? I was initiated into Heather Lodge No.221 UGLQ at the age of 21... Are you or do you know of any other Freemasons within Ra-AUS?

I have posted a thread that purports to contain an e-mail from the president to the Board that DOES NOT align at all with the claims made in the minutes by the Exec regarding Board Insurance... IMO they as good as outright lied to the membership. http://www.recreationalflying.com/threads/ra-aus-board-insurance-the-truth.52896/

It is proof of an outright attempt to mislead the membership at the AGM...

I am going to post this... This is not an accusation... Just some information I was forwarded anonymously. I post it here to make up your own minds... The E-mail claims to be from the Ex-President Mr Runcimann... This was in response to th“On 03/05/2012, at 2:30 PM, steve runciman <[email protected]> wrote: URGENT Hi Gents, Bad news I am afraid. The insurance became due on 30 Apr 12. The paperwork was completed and sent to the brokers which was then sent on to the insurance company. We have temporary cover from the expiry of the of the old insurance up until the acceptance of our insurers subject to certain terms and conditions. Basically, on the renewal proposal it asks if there is anything pending that may have an effect on us being re-insured. Obviously at the time the paperwork was signed and sent in we declared that there was nothing pending. However, on renewal date (30 Apr 12) they were informed that we had discovered something. Rob Viney is certain that because this was declared before the renewal time (4pm on 30 Apr 12) we have insurance cover for this incident but he cannot guarantee it. The really bad news is that as at today he cannot guarantee that we have insurance cover. The reason for this is that when the insurance company are fully briefed on the current circumstance they may refuse to cover us which means that the insurance lapsed at 4pm on 30 Apr 12 and from that time and date we are not covered. However, they may decide to renew in which case we are covered. It is up to you to decide the possibility of them agreeing to cover us. Bottom line is that, as at today, it cannot be guaranteed that we have Directors liability insurance cover. No doubt I will be hearing from a number of you very shortly. Regards, Steve” And here now is the Minutes of the AGM... Is this an outright lie or are they just confused??? 2. RA-Aus have previously faced difficulties in obtaining liability insurance cover for the Board and the Staff. With the full knowledge of the previous difficulties, it is alleged the CEO allowed the insurance cover to get within a few working days of expiry before submitting the paperwork to the Broker for the renewal process. As might be expected it took around a month for the insurance cover to be obtained. During that month, there were periods when the cover was provided only by the good grace of the insurer and there were periods when there was zero cover. It is further alleged that the lack of insurance and the potential liability to Board members individually was a significant factor in the resignation of at least one of the competent Board members and potentially a factor in the resignation of another. Comment: I am not sure where Mr Isaac got his information from but it will be shown that much of the information provided by Mr Isaac is wrong. Mr Isaac is correct that RA-Aus has and will continue to face difficulties in obtaining insurance, it is the nature of our business. As I have previously explained to the board, the CEO answered the renewal paperwork when it was received from the insurance broker. There was a period of, from memory, 5 days lapse between receiving it and answering it but this includes a weekend and the fact that the CEO was not in office for a number of days. The CEO and Administration Manager have a meeting at least once a year with our insurance broker to go through the insurance in detail. It was not the fact that the CEO had made a mistake and had left it too late that the insurance company saw fit to provide a cover note. The insurance company were considering our insurance in fine detail and while these considerations were ongoing they provided cover for that period. There was never a period when cover was not in place. So... At the AGM the Board tells us "THERE WAS NEVER A PERIOD WHEN COVER WAS NOT IN PLACE" Yet his own e-mail allegedly tells us that " the insurance lapsed at 4pm on 30 Apr 12 and from that time and date we are not covered...Bottom line is that, as at today, it cannot be guaranteed that we have Directors liability insurance cover."

Someone must have a FIRM answer on this... given that it is pivotal to the coming EGM...

Could someone (besides asking my Member because obviously he has a firm opinion on this) tell me if Steve Runciman IS currently still our North Qld Board Rep? This is soooooooo messy....

My Opinion... This whole talk of Ra-Aus Aircraft and "Certification" is in my opinion pointless without a simple and cheap system of certification. To my mind a simple system would suffice... The Factory builds a "fleet" and flies them... and if the original fleet has more hours than your factory built aeroplane you are "certified".... If not you are "experimental"... the popularity would depend upon the aircraft having a long faultless service life... i.e. the more in service the better the safety data for the pilot in command and Pax to self-"certify" themselves... Common sense prevails... Of course all that goes without saying... I want a Virgin Lame wth a couple a homebuilt aircraft under his belt to go over any aeroplane model I am going to fly in a simple no strings arrangement with the importer with those first models... The systems should be in place....

We wouldn't have known about it.... WAIT!!! Most members still don't. And in my experience your Board Member just denies it's existence???!!!