I'm the one who sticks to the subject. READ carefully what I stated above and then tell me it's not important. This IS an Important matter directly related to SAFETY and should not be deflected, as it usually has been. Most of Turbos assertions are very contestable and I HAVE direct experience of these matters and involvement with RAAus.to draw on. Is this another subject where proper debate will be cut off by "Just play by the Rules and it will be fine" attitude?. Now don't $#!t me by saying YOU encourage people to break the rules. I'll answer for what I say and not what I get accused of saying as is often the CASE here, Unfortunately.. It should not have to be this hard. I'm only the messenger. Nev