Covid 19

[octave]

2 minutes ago, jackc said:

It’s not my responsibility to pick up the pieces for a broken system,

What I am talking about is the possibility that if I am in an exospore location I can be informed and do what I can to protect my family from possible infection.   The track and trace system is far from perfect but personally I will do anything to protect my family.    

 

You seem to be somewhat against the vaccine and critical of the tracking and tracing system so what are you suggesting just let it rip?    What solution would you propose?    

[jackc]

12 minutes ago, octave said:

What I am talking about is the possibility that if I am in an exospore location I can be informed and do what I can to protect my family from possible infection.   The track and trace system is far from perfect but personally I will do anything to protect my family.    

 

You seem to be somewhat against the vaccine and critical of the tracking and tracing system so what are you suggesting just let it rip?    What solution would you propose?    

A start  would be to fix the uncoordinated tracing system so it’s compatible with ALL states and WORKS.  I will bet the login sheets are not processed properly…..many businesses are over loaded with admin stuff for the Govt as it is.

IF Medicare cards had a digital chip, read stations at each business could be integrated so could scan in/out by waving a Medicare Card at it.  This and other pandemics are the new World, put in a long term solution for a long term fix.

So now you can kick my idea in the guts, at least I have some ideas…….

I have been a troubleshooter all my life…….but it’s hard to provide solutions to people who won’t listen to anything.  Maybe my ideas cost money?  No free lunches in this World.   The Govt has wasted billions already, that’s OK BUT they keep doing the same things expecting a different result..

We pay bureaucrats thousands of dollars per week in some cases……to keep seats warm.  Those that don’t perform should be FIRED…….there are plenty involved in this Covid deal we could do without…….

[octave]

1 minute ago, jackc said:

A start  would be to fix the uncoordinated tracing system so it’s compatible with ALL states and WORKS.

 

My understanding is the system becomes overloaded as numbers grow.  Each day in NSW over a thousand new infections are added to the pile to be investigated.

 

 

2 minutes ago, jackc said:

 I will bet the login sheets are not processed properly…..many businesses are over loaded with admin stuff for the Govt as it is.

The sheets only need to be processed IF the business becomes an exposure site.  I agree that it is difficult for businesses to administer although if everyone used the QR check in system I don't see why this should create any more work for the business.

 

7 minutes ago, jackc said:

IF Medicare cards had a digital chip, read stations at each business could be integrated so could scan in/out by waving a Medicare Card at it.  This and other pandemics are the new World, put in a long term solution for a long term fix.

 

I don't disagree with this but the problem we are struggling with is NOW.  It is a case of what we do tomorrow not what we do in the future (although that is important also)

 

9 minutes ago, jackc said:

So now you can kick my idea in the guts, at least I have some ideas…….

Reasonable idea however it does not get us out of this current surge.    We do know that those in ICU mostly have not been vaccinated (some may not yet have been offered it).  The average age of those in hospital is younger than in previous waves because older people are more likely to be vaccinated.

 

What ever the laws or rules the government institutes it comes down to whether individuals take it seriously and abide by them.    The recent outbreak started with a limo driver not following the rules.   

[jackc]

1 minute ago, octave said:

 

My understanding is the system becomes overloaded as numbers grow.  Each day in NSW over a thousand new infections are added to the pile to be investigated.

 

 

The sheets only need to be processed IF the business becomes an exposure site.  I agree that it is difficult for businesses to administer although if everyone used the QR check in system I don't see why this should create any more work for the business.

 

 

I don't disagree with this but the problem we are struggling with is NOW.  It is a case of what we do tomorrow not what we do in the future (although that is important also)

 

Reasonable idea however it does not get us out of this current surge.    We do know that those in ICU mostly have not been vaccinated (some may not yet have been offered it).  The average age of those in hospital is younger than in previous waves because older people are more likely to be vaccinated.

 

What ever the laws or rules the government institutes it comes down to whether individuals take it seriously and abide by them.    The recent outbreak started with a limo driver not following the rules.   

Did you fail to use your blinker last time you did a left turn at an intersection?  I only takes one to cause a car crash.  You did not follow the rules……

The Govts have had over 18 months to fine tune problems to find solutions…….

Are we any further advanced, yes we are but we are stumbling along in many ways.

[octave]

1 minute ago, jackc said:

Did you fail to use your blinker last time you did a left turn at an intersection?  I only takes one to cause a car crash.  You did not follow the rules……

The Govts have had over 18 months to fine tune problems to find solutions…….

Are we any further advanced, yes we are but we are stumbling along in many ways.

 

The problem we face is huge and complex.  It is easy to be an armchair expert and know exactly what should be done.   No country has had a perfect response.  Partly this is because we have not faced anything similar in the recent past.   Throughout the world different governments have used different responses with differing results.    I believe are response  has not been the best but is a long way from the worst.

 

  

[red750]

4 hours ago, jackc said:

On your MyGov account? I don’t have one of them.

@jackc, how do you claim your Medicare refunds?

[onetrack]

6 hours ago, skippydiesel said:

It seems to me that the Ruby Princess debacle, was the first sign (to the public at large) that the Federal Government was/had not been discharging its responsibilities for National boarder bio security.

 

In delegating this important role to the States , we had/have every State putting its own interpretation on what department would be responsible and what those responsibilities & powers might be - in short no he National approach that any sane logical person might expect.

 

So in the case of NSW/Ruby Princess the responsible agency was, sort of, the Department of Agriculture (go figure). I can only assume that because Agriculture tends towards monitoring animal/plant pests that someone in their wisdom that adding human pathogen surveillances/control was the way to go - they were  wrong! Agriculture dis not have/understand its role, powers (if any) or the chain of command (absent).

 

I assume that every other nation has its boarder security (customs/immigration/bio,financial/threat /law security) under the one organisation or at least its front line (the uniformed people at the boarder) team - not so Au

And as a result of this schemozzle, I trust we get a Royal Commission into the Govts COVID-19 response, with findings that make wide-ranging recommendations and major improvements for quarantine and pandemic handling for the next 100 years - trusting that all the RC recommendations are initiated, of course.

[onetrack]

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IF Medicare cards had a digital chip, read stations at each business could be integrated so could scan in/out by waving a Medicare Card at it.  This and other pandemics are the new World, put in a long term solution for a long term fix.

Good try - but that's too close to the 1987 National ID card, which was totally rejected by the nation after the libertarians organised large protests, claiming the ID card conditions made it a threat to our personal freedoms.

 

https://privacy.org.au/about/history/davies0402/

[turboplanner]

2 hours ago, jackc said:

The states won’t cooperate, one of them wants to take ScoMo to the High Court.

What a mess,  AND I have run out of f….s to give.  Turbs, you better go fix the broken system, I wish you luck……you will have more success in tow starting a 747, made out of concrete.

I'm not sure where all this fantasy has come from. I'm talking about a working system which two states are using which is working fine and doesn't need outside help. An example of the cooperation going on is Victoria assisting NSW right now wit the methods we used to reach out to large community groups and get them testing and social distamcing and vaccinating to the extent that a large outbreak was fixed very quickly. This will produce dividends for NSW.

[Garfly]

 

Skippy, I'm confused, you endorse Flighty's idea of subverting the log-in system with unreadable handwriting.  Yet nobody here has been more full-on about respect for government lockdown conditions, than you. (You fairly blew a gasket at the "contempt" of fellow aviators flying too high, with no guy in the sky as an idea of something to do. ;- )

 

Seems like a shared loathing for 21st century telephony is the common ground. But hey, even our Jack, by his own admission, brandishes an iPhone4 - the bees-knees of smartphones just a few years ago.   

 

Go-figure.  HF strikes again, I guess.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 3, 2021 by Garfly

[jackc]

1 hour ago, red750 said:

@jackc, how do you claim your Medicare refunds?

Years ago I registered my bank account with Medicare, my GPs, Specialists etc lodge my claims for me and the the refund appears in my bank, easy 🙂

 

[red750]

OK. Do you have a Medicare Online Account? if so, that's done through MyGov. They already have your banking details, which is what most people are reluctant to give. You access both Medicare and Centrelink though the MyGov portal. There are a dozen other services, such as ATO, that you can access through a MyGov Account. 

[jackc]

1 hour ago, turboplanner said:

I'm not sure where all this fantasy has come from. I'm talking about a working system which two states are using which is working fine and doesn't need outside help. An example of the cooperation going on is Victoria assisting NSW right now wit the methods we used to reach out to large community groups and get them testing and social distamcing and vaccinating to the extent that a large outbreak was fixed very quickly. This will produce dividends for NSW.

And which states have increasing cases, lockdowns and all?   Th system IS broken, so how to fix it?  Get everyone vaccinated ASAP?  Well that is not happening, so far…….now they have shortened to wait time for the second jab…..will that work, who knows?

[onetrack]

The system is not broken, if people simply take notice of COVID-19 movement restrictions and regulations, and stop spreading the virus!!

[jackc]

22 minutes ago, red750 said:

OK. Do you have a Medicare Online Account? if so, that's done through MyGov. They already have your banking details, which is what most people are reluctant to give. You access both Medicare and Centrelink though the MyGov portal. There are a dozen other services, such as ATO, that you can access through a MyGov Account. 

Since you want to play Policeman,  I am a self funded retiree, I have nothing to do with Centrelink, I am not registered with My Gov, the ATO commented to me on that as I just went through a tax audit that ended 3 weeks ago.

For that audit the ATO they sent me a letter, then phoned and I provided the required information.  So, get off my case…….go fly a plane do something but leave me alone…….oh yeah just to give you another snippet of info……the ATO sent me a refund, straight to my bank……they probably won’t audit me ever again. 

[facthunter]

Don't count on it. Might have been the case many years ago I've challenged their rulings a few times and won but it's not an even contest. Nev

[jackc]

5 minutes ago, onetrack said:

The system is not broken, if people simply take notice of COVID-19 movement restrictions and regulations, and stop spreading the virus!!

The Govt has not worked out they cannot control everyone AND IF I owned a business that was going down the drain, could not pay for my house, struggled to buy food etc, because of COVID restrictions. I would break EVERY rule in the book for my family….… I spoke to a guy selling a plane yesterday as a result of loss of income due to Covid restrictions.  I felt very sad for him, even upset……because he has to sell his source of enjoyment in this life……something he has worked for, for years no doubt.

Just let me know what you would do, faced with the same circumstances?

 

[jackc]

2 minutes ago, facthunter said:

Don't count on it. Might have been the case many years ago I've challenged their rulings a few times and won but it's not an even contest. Nev

They better hurry up, I am near EOL 🙂.  By the way, they went back 13 years!

[turboplanner]

29 minutes ago, Arron25 said:

Do you have ANY knowledge of the Present Qld system. Seems to work very well, and as seamlessly simple as your your 'new systems' And Have You compared the occurrence in Qld  compared with the debacle in the southern states... 

The PHU system still appears to be manual from a quick check. This isn't an issue unless there's a big breakout. Vic managed last year's with Defence troops, but Delta is a whole new disease.

 

Yes I'm aware of Queensland's excellent work in holding down the numbers. Just 5 weeks ago we were churning out zero after zero. This afternoon we were running the numbers of potential growth at current rate vs availability of all ventilators.

 

The debacle in the southern states is two things:

1. The Delta strain which transmits way faster than previous strains.

2. This year the infections are embedded in the community so we have community transmission.

With the numbers exploding, it's the electronic data system that's allowed contact tracing to keep up with Delta and the Al Taqua and other breakouts or a few weeks ago are over, but the bushfire is still going.

[Flightrite]

50 minutes ago, jackc said:

The Govt has not worked out they cannot control everyone AND IF I owned a business that was going down the drain, could not pay for my house, struggled to buy food etc, because of COVID restrictions. I would break EVERY rule in the book for my family….… I spoke to a guy selling a plane yesterday as a result of loss of income due to Covid restrictions.  I felt very sad for him, even upset……because he has to sell his source of enjoyment in this life……something he has worked for, for years no doubt.

Just let me know what you would do, faced with the same circumstances?

 

I know people in similar circumstances, their hopes & dreams destroyed by the lunatics in charge! Pilots who will never get a job again flying as they are broken! I have utter disdain for the criminals called politicians & their bureaucratic stooges behind the scenes!

Edited September 3, 2021 by Flightrite

[turboplanner]

4 minutes ago, Flightrite said:

I know people in similar circumstances, their hopes & dreams destroyed by the lunatics in charge! Pilots who will never get a job again flying as they are broken! I have utter disdain for the criminals called politicians & their bureaucratic stooges behind the scenes!

There's a small percentage of Australians unfortunately who can't see the reality that many family members would have died if businesses had been left operating and Airlines still flew around the world.

[red750]

The reason that Qld has controlled the virus is that the only people they let in are footballers.

 

[red750]

WA hhas recorded zero cases of Eddie MacGuire.

[skippydiesel]

58 minutes ago, turboplanner said:

The PHU system still appears to be manual from a quick check. This isn't an issue unless there's a big breakout. Vic managed last year's with Defence troops, but Delta is a whole new disease.

 

Yes I'm aware of Queensland's excellent work in holding down the numbers. Just 5 weeks ago we were churning out zero after zero. This afternoon we were running the numbers of potential growth at current rate vs availability of all ventilators.

 

The debacle in the southern states is two things:

1. The Delta strain which transmits way faster than previous strains. Don't forget the magic of Gladys/Scomo

2. This year the infections are embedded in the community so we have community transmission. Thanks to Glady's & Scomo

With the numbers exploding, it's the electronic data system that's allowed contact tracing to keep up with Delta and the Al Taqua and other breakouts or a few weeks ago are over, but the bushfire is still going.

 

[onetrack]

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The Govt has not worked out they cannot control everyone AND IF I owned a business that was going down the drain, could not pay for my house, struggled to buy food etc, because of COVID restrictions. I would break EVERY rule in the book for my family….… I spoke to a guy selling a plane yesterday as a result of loss of income due to Covid restrictions.  I felt very sad for him, even upset……because he has to sell his source of enjoyment in this life……something he has worked for, for years no doubt.

Just let me know what you would do, faced with the same circumstances?

There's only two things in this life that are certain - death and taxes. If you're in business, you face permanent income and asset-value risks - via natural disasters, other businesses failing and causing you loss, fraud, and general bastardry from others you deal with.

I've faced the same circumstances as many business people are facing now - and it wasn't COVID-19 related. Our family lost our major long-term business, and I lost all my assets, via an unwarranted bank foreclosure, in which we owed no arrears whatsoever.

But the bank we had all our business with, sent us to a meeting with a "Credit Control Manager", who advised us in a 20 min meeting, that he'd "done some forward computer projections, that showed our business would owe his bank, substantial amounts of money in 12 mths time, that he would not be able to recover".

This, despite the fact we had been in that business for over 30 years, and had built that business into a $10M business with 65 employees - and the fact that we had no record whatsoever of not paying every debt in full, that we had ever incurred. I never knew foreclosures could be carried out on "future computer projections", until that time.

Disregarding every thing we said, this CCM immediately demanded the (fully secured) $1M we owed to his bank, was to be repaid within 48 hrs, as "he had lost confidence in us, as his banks customers".

The $1M was fully secured with $1.6M in excellent quality properties, so they stood to lose nothing. They then modified their repayment order from "48 hrs", to "a few weeks". But the full repayment order stayed in place.

We went to 19 other financial institutions, and every single one of them refused to take our business on, as they all repeated the same story - "You're with one of the Big Four banks. If they don't want you as a customer, there must be something bad about your financial position, you're not telling us."

The end result was we struggled along for another 6 mths, conducting fire sales as we went, to get enough cash to repay the banks demands. At the end of the 6 mths, we ended up with absolutely nothing by way of business or assets, because of those bank-induced fire sales. But we had paid everyone out in full.

I walked out of the remnants of the business at age 46, after 30 years of gut-busting work, with just the shirt on my back, and had to go begging for employment with others.

I have never ever recovered from that piece of bank bastardry, and I can assure you I am not alone, plenty of people in business have endured similar experiences, and lost everything due to circumstances totally beyond their control.

You just have to roll with the punches, and do the best with the lemons that life hands you. An old Auntie had a good saying - "as you age, you either get bitter, or you get better". Getting bitter achieves nothing, and only shortens your lifespan.

 

Edited September 3, 2021 by onetrack