Ozfergie Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 So, I'm 15 hours into RPL and loving it - all seems to be coming together but about every 1 in 6 landings my instructor chips me for pushing the control column forward after the main wheels touch - I know not to do it and I'm actually not conscious of doing it - any tips/tricks/advice on how to refine this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozfergie Posted August 14, 2015 Author Share Posted August 14, 2015 So, I'm 15 hours into RPL and loving it - all seems to be coming together but about every 1 in 6 landings my instructor chips me for pushing the control column forward after the main wheels touch - I know not to do it and I'm actually not conscious of doing it - any tips/tricks/advice on how to refine this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishla Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Self flagellation when you offend? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishla Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Self flagellation when you offend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza 38 Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Yeah, you have to drum it into yourself that you want to hold the nose wheel off as long as possible, if not the nose wheel might collapse. Thinking that nose wheel legs that have been abused can and do collapse is normally enough. But, remember that sometimes you will put weight on the nose wheel during the ground roll when you have an oh sh!t moment.eg- needing to brake heavily for what ever reason. Nose legs are built with strength in mind but also with a minimum weight in mind, treat them gently. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza 38 Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Yeah, you have to drum it into yourself that you want to hold the nose wheel off as long as possible, if not the nose wheel might collapse. Thinking that nose wheel legs that have been abused can and do collapse is normally enough. But, remember that sometimes you will put weight on the nose wheel during the ground roll when you have an oh sh!t moment.eg- needing to brake heavily for what ever reason. Nose legs are built with strength in mind but also with a minimum weight in mind, treat them gently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 So, I'm 15 hours into RPL and loving it - all seems to be coming together but about every 1 in 6 landings my instructor chips me for pushing the control column forward after the main wheels touch - I know not to do it and I'm actually not conscious of doing it - any tips/tricks/advice on how to refine this? Human Factors - any "memory" message, like saying out loud "touch.....and hold" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 So, I'm 15 hours into RPL and loving it - all seems to be coming together but about every 1 in 6 landings my instructor chips me for pushing the control column forward after the main wheels touch - I know not to do it and I'm actually not conscious of doing it - any tips/tricks/advice on how to refine this? Human Factors - any "memory" message, like saying out loud "touch.....and hold" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDQDI Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 You could do a couple of hours in a tailwheel plane:thumb up:. That will help you to not push the stick forward and also give you quite a few other benefits as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDQDI Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 You could do a couple of hours in a tailwheel plane:thumb up:. That will help you to not push the stick forward and also give you quite a few other benefits as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yenn Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 You could do a couple of hours in a taildragger, but all that is telling me, is that our standards of flying training are sadly poor. you should always be holding the nose wheel off when you land, also don't taxi fast and be sparing in brake use. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yenn Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 You could do a couple of hours in a taildragger, but all that is telling me, is that our standards of flying training are sadly poor. you should always be holding the nose wheel off when you land, also don't taxi fast and be sparing in brake use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diesel Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Just try to stop it landing or climbing. While this is happening you are slowing down and the stick is comming back. Chas 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diesel Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Just try to stop it landing or climbing. While this is happening you are slowing down and the stick is comming back. Chas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XP503 Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Treat the nose wheel as if it were made of glass. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XP503 Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Treat the nose wheel as if it were made of glass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSCBD Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Simple - fly and hold the wheels off the ground at two feet along the runway - do not try and land the aircraft or push it down (understand this very clear ) and it will do it (land) all by itself with the stick / control will be all the way back. Problem fixed! Simple! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSCBD Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Simple - fly and hold the wheels off the ground at two feet along the runway - do not try and land the aircraft or push it down (understand this very clear ) and it will do it (land) all by itself with the stick / control will be all the way back. Problem fixed! Simple! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarly Gnu Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 When landing you should finally end up with the stick fully back before the nosewheel touches i.e. the elevator runs out of lift so to speak. Try a few touch-and-go's without the nosewheel touching down at all. It's fun and not at all hard, just a trickle of power at the right moment + elevator control, then power up again to go. On this topic I'd like to learn how to do touch-and-go's on one of the rear wheels only like Bob Hoover - can anyone here teach me this trick? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarly Gnu Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 When landing you should finally end up with the stick fully back before the nosewheel touches i.e. the elevator runs out of lift so to speak. Try a few touch-and-go's without the nosewheel touching down at all. It's fun and not at all hard, just a trickle of power at the right moment + elevator control, then power up again to go. On this topic I'd like to learn how to do touch-and-go's on one of the rear wheels only like Bob Hoover - can anyone here teach me this trick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diesel Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 fly a jodel. the europeans teach to land on the tailwheel first. chas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diesel Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 fly a jodel. the europeans teach to land on the tailwheel first. chas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakej Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 practice touch & goes without letting the nosewheel touch while reconfiguring flaps etc, I've found that if you can consistently do that 3 times in a row then you have probably 'got it' Just saw your post GG - we're on the same page here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakej Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 practice touch & goes without letting the nosewheel touch while reconfiguring flaps etc, I've found that if you can consistently do that 3 times in a row then you have probably 'got it' Just saw your post GG - we're on the same page here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgwilson Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Also keep the stick back until you stop. It will help reduce weight on the nosewheel and reinforce the idea in your brain until it becomes automatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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