biggles Posted February 19, 2020 Posted February 19, 2020 DEATHS FEARED IN PLANE CRASH AT MANGALORE There are fears of fatalities as police and paramedics rush to the scene of a plane crash at Mangalore, north of Melbourne, a popular spot with recreational flyers and a major aviation-training facility with a pilot academy.
skydog Posted February 19, 2020 Posted February 19, 2020 Too many crashes this summer unfortunately. Someone suggested 2 aircraft involved a mid air????
Yenn Posted February 19, 2020 Posted February 19, 2020 Hard to tell what it was. Low wing, prop turning but little power. Pretty devastating.
Student Pilot Posted February 19, 2020 Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) Looks mebe Seneca? Hard to imagine anybody walking away from that. Other looks like a 172 tailplane, not much left of the pair of them. Edited February 19, 2020 by Student Pilot
Student Pilot Posted February 19, 2020 Posted February 19, 2020 Did a bit of looking, they train there with Seminoles and Archers/Arrows. Looking at the second wreck it had a full flying tail so would be a Piper product.
Kyle Communications Posted February 19, 2020 Posted February 19, 2020 ABC said mid air collision..4 deceased no survivors
facthunter Posted February 19, 2020 Posted February 19, 2020 Very busy airspace around Mangalore, especially to the east. Grim outcome. Always very sad.. Nev
turboplanner Posted February 19, 2020 Posted February 19, 2020 Piper Seminole from Moorabbin, Beech Travelair from Tyabb. Separation issues which we've covered here recently, but complicated enough to wait for ATSB.
red750 Posted February 19, 2020 Posted February 19, 2020 This is the Seminole operated by Moorabbin Aviation Services which was involved in the collision. 1
Kiter Posted February 19, 2020 Posted February 19, 2020 It‘s possible to see the planned and actual routes on Flightaware. Seminole Travel Air
red750 Posted February 19, 2020 Posted February 19, 2020 This is the Travel Air involved in the collision. From my collection of photos at Moorabbin. 1
onetrack Posted February 19, 2020 Posted February 19, 2020 This is just awful. I can't remember the last time we had a major MAC in Australia. My condolences to all the families involved 1
Guest Machtuk Posted February 19, 2020 Posted February 19, 2020 So tragic? We each have a destiny, sadly this was theirs? Take care out there guys, we operate in potentially dangerous environments everytime we leave the ground.
turboplanner Posted February 19, 2020 Posted February 19, 2020 This is just awful. I can't remember the last time we had a major MAC in Australia. My condolences to all the families involved We had one about ten years ago at Moorabbin when the tower called a near first solo to turn crosswind well before the crosswing turn point and an instructor and student smacked into him as he turned downwind. He spun all the way down and drilled the ground, but the instructor managed to get the other aircraft down.
turboplanner Posted February 19, 2020 Posted February 19, 2020 Some updates in this: 'Tragedy': Four dead after two planes crash in mid-air over central Victoria 1
GraemeK Posted February 19, 2020 Posted February 19, 2020 December 2005 - two Warriors at Coldstream. BZA still flying today! 1
kaz3g Posted February 19, 2020 Posted February 19, 2020 December 2005 - two Warriors at Coldstream. BZA still flying today! I was at YCEM when it happened...amazing luck and a fair bit of skill to get both on the ground safely. https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2005/aair/aair200506443/
kgwilson Posted February 19, 2020 Posted February 19, 2020 I note the collision was at around 4000 feet and cloudbase was about 4000 feet so it wasn't a case of poor communication/ procedures near the circuit. 1
turboplanner Posted February 19, 2020 Posted February 19, 2020 Both aircraft were flying to IFR plans; both were responsible for maintaining separation, and there is currently considerable discussion among experienced GA pilots about where ATSB sits in this. In IFR some of the key transmissions come from a long way away from the airfield. Who transmitted what and when and on what frequency may be key to this one. 1
SplitS Posted February 20, 2020 Posted February 20, 2020 IFR after 1st January 2020 = ADSB, Regardless of "key transmissions" they should have been seen that's the whole point of ADSB. Something went wrong big time maybe one ADSB was not working and they where not listening or transmitting on the correct frequency. Swiss cheese event???? This accident needs to be investigated and findings made public.
turboplanner Posted February 20, 2020 Posted February 20, 2020 IFR after 1st January 2020 = ADSB, Regardless of "key transmissions" they should have been seen that's the whole point of ADSB. Something went wrong big time maybe one ADSB was not working and they where not listening or transmitting on the correct frequency. Swiss cheese event???? This accident needs to be investigated and findings made public. I think this one is going to rightfully scare a lot of RA and GA people into the reality that ADSB, is not the magic solution which allows a pilot to disregard other forms of ensuring separation. There already has been one squeal for TCAS, but you then look at an era like we had in the 1970s where the communication/navigation equipment was worth more than the airframe and engine. As to your last point, I think this will be receiving a very thorough analysis by ATSB. It has some complicating factors in it like where each aircraft came from and where each aircraft was going, and the formal notification and pilot to pilot notification as a result. 1
pylon500 Posted February 20, 2020 Posted February 20, 2020 Sad news inbound from Foxbat Australia... https://www.facebook.com/foxbataustralia/
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