Can a 100+ton Airliner disappear into a steel columned concret tower building?

[Methusala]

There have been many stories on the 'alternative media', that is not the News.com, ABC, Fairfax or TV, concerning the truth or otherwise of the official story relating to the destruction of the 3 WTC buildings in NY. In this article, actual people of reasonable standing, put forward opinions which, in view of their reputation, can be considered serious in nature. They are not faceless clowns hiding behind a wall of nom-de-plume anonymity; is the publisher a frivolous conspiracy purveyor? Maybe, but IMO the article seems to raise some valid questions.

 

https://newspunch.com/cia-pilot-presents-evidence-that-no-planes-hit-towers-on-911/

[rgmwa]

He seems to think the plane would spear through the building and come out virtually intact on the other side. This Phantom didn't fare too well and while a building is not a concrete block, try hitting it at airliner speeds and see where the energy goes. I don't think there would be much left apart from the entry hole.

[red750]

Modern office and hotel towers are thin pillars and glass on the outside, but with a solid concrete core which usually includes the lift shafts.

[old man emu]

By chance I happened to tune into the late night news in Australia on 11th September 2001. I watched the broadcast from New York of the aftermath of the first hit which happened at 8:46 am New York time. I was still watching the broadcast of the aftermath of the first impact when I saw the second impact at 9:03 am Local.

 

If you watch the video, take your eyes off the aircraft and building. Look into the background to see any anomalies. Remember the photo Yenn posted of the P51 over the Stuart? It took us about 5 seconds to determine that it was Photoshopped. Never look at the intended centre piece of a photo to see it it's fact or false.

[Old Koreelah]

Modern office and hotel towers are thin pillars and glass on the outside, but with a solid concrete core which usually includes the lift shafts.

Too right, Red. As well as multiple lift shafts, the core contains stairwells, service ducts, pipelines, garbage chute, etc. Mostly made from concrete encasing masses of carefully-tied steel. Compared to big transport aircraft, these towers are bluddy solid, so they could easily grate a Boeing into tiny pieces.

But... just like airliners, they are built just strong enough to cope with foreseeable stresses.

They are also designed to be easy to demolish when no longer needed.

[Flightrite]

I enjoy reading about the whacko's & their theories, makes for amusing reading!?

[Methusala]

Thinking about the construction of a large airliner, there is a massively strong, rigid core supporting the engines and landing gear. Outboard is the outerwing which is mainly hollow containing fuel and air. These are not dense enough to penetrate the mass of concrete and steel. However the penetration of the steel facade shows clear profile of wingtips. Have to be very gullible to accept this idea. Surely the outer wings at least would fail to penetrate. Could soft butter ( thin aluminium) even at jet speed cut the knife (steel cladding)? Intriguing food for thought.

[octave]

How many people would have to be in on this? How many New york residents would have witnessed this event? Where are the literally thousands of people on the street that morning who surely would have come forward by now reporting the absence of aircraft? How many airtrafic controllers, how many baggage handlers refuellers? how many passengers at the airport observing these aircraft departing?

[Flightrite]

How many people would have to be in on this? How many New york residents would have witnessed this event? Where are the literally thousands of people on the street that morning who surely would have come forward by now reporting the absence of aircraft? How many airtrafic controllers, how many baggage handlers refuellers? how many passengers at the airport observing these aircraft departing?

 

Exactly! To 'hide' everyone involved would be fanciful at best!

What about all the grieving families where they in on it too hiding their loved ones? The crazies out there live in fairyland!

[ClintonB]

Worst out of that is if is what happened there is a mass murderer out there in power.

[prwood]

How insulting to all the grieving victims of this mass murder. Can’t believe any thinking person could support this abomination of a conspiracy theory.

[kasper]

Well I was in NYC on the day and watched the second plane smack into the tower from the rooftop of the apartment. Afraid to say to those I consider fantasists but it was a plane that did it. Can’t say the first one was ... I was not looking at the towers until after it had been hit.

 

NYC changed on that day ... and a lot of people - me included - can say what we saw.

 

Four jet liners took off and three hit buildings. A fourth ended up in a field. A lot of people died and many times that were affected.

[GraemeK]

I was meant to be in the South Tower that morning for a meeting with Oppenheimer on level 34 at 9am.

 

Instead, for various reasons I was in Boston watching it on cable - and it was planes that did it, no doubt in my mind.

[onetrack]

Wingtips would most certainly leave an imprint on any building at the speeds the Boeings were travelling at. The bloke proposing the conspiracy fantasy may have plenty of flying knowledge, but he has no building or construction knowledge.

The outsides of even the biggest skyscrapers are huge openings, full of windows. An aircraft travelling at 450mph would not just splatter on the outside, the sheer velocity of the plane will carry it many metres into the building through those window openings and well beyond.

I was watching the whole deal on TV as it happened (9.00PM AWST here), and there wasn't anything faked about it, the camera followed the aircraft and we watched, stunned, as it went through the second tower.

You'd have to be some kind of weirdo to try and propagate a theory that it was all a put-up job. They identified every hijacker, the training they did, then they were captured on video in the airports, boarding.

Then we had the phone calls from the hijacked aircraft to their loved ones. You'd have to have some kind of warped mindset to ignore all the related evidence.

[APenNameAndThatA]

There have been many stories on the 'alternative media', that is not the News.com, ABC, Fairfax or TV, concerning the truth or otherwise of the official story relating to the destruction of the 3 WTC buildings in NY. In this article, actual people of reasonable standing, put forward opinions which, in view of their reputation, can be considered serious in nature. They are not faceless clowns hiding behind a wall of nom-de-plume anonymity; is the publisher a frivolous conspiracy purveyor? Maybe, but IMO the article seems to raise some valid questions.

 

https://newspunch.com/cia-pilot-presents-evidence-that-no-planes-hit-towers-on-911/

Food for a stupid mind.

[turboplanner]

There's also a documentary on the Pentagon damage, engineeering, visual and measuremets of how far the aircraft got into the building, information on the extreme temperatures, photos of damaged items, injury/death rates, danage to the bodies of workers etc.

if you're tempted to take the superficial theory put forward in this thread, look up the documentary, I think it;s in Netflix, and you'll have all the engineering data you need to put your mind to rest that there's noting in the theory. There was also a theory that the Pentagon crash and damage was staged, and this was probably a documentary to hit that one on the head.

[Flightrite]

I think any intelligent person could not for one second accept the nutters theories out there but human nature being what it is debunked theories are like a modern day 'Kool aid' drink, some simply follow & believe!

Apart from the shear deviation of the NYC event, the lost lives, the misery that will live on forever for so many the terrorists have done their job well! Many years latter we are still suffering their dastardly deeds by way of tyranny and fear everytime we travel via that medium, everytime we go thru the pain of airport security, the bastards need never do another attack for its forever implanted in our minds! RIP to those victims that where to become part of the world's ugly history!?

[M61A1]

I enjoy reading about the whacko's & their theories, makes for amusing reading!?

It’s only enjoyable up to the point when you realise the same people vote and raise children.

There's also a documentary on the Pentagon damage, engineeering, visual and measuremets of how far the aircraft got into the building, information on the extreme temperatures, photos of damaged items, injury/death rates, danage to the bodies of workers etc.

if you're tempted to take the superficial theory put forward in this thread, look up the documentary, I think it;s in Netflix, and you'll have all the engineering data you need to put your mind to rest that there's noting in the theory. There was also a theory that the Pentagon crash and damage was staged, and this was probably a documentary to hit that one on the head.

These people often believe the moon landing was fake....no amount of actual evidence will convince them. The believe all the evidence contrary to their belief is fake.

[old man emu]

But don't dare try to take their guns from them, ban them from alcohol, or, worse yet, fight an invisible microbial enemy by isolating themselves.

[facthunter]

The most dense parts of an aeroplane are the engines and they did make it through the building but most of the "other" didn't. Aeroplanes are only strong where they need to be and often break even in a heavy landing. After all heavy landings they require a structural examination before flying again even if they appear OK. Nev

[kgwilson]

The conspiracy theories began shortly after the disaster. There was a doco called "Loose Change" if I remember correctly that went through the whole lot & showed all the demolition charges going off, all sorts of unexplained things especially the Pentagon one etc. The video of the Phantom shows instant vapourisation of a structure when it collides with a solid object. One thing is for sure though, it boosted the US economy with all the wars they got going afterwards and their military and weapons industries thrived like never before.

[Old Koreelah]

...One thing is for sure though, it boosted the US economy with all the wars they got going afterwards and their military and weapons industries thrived like never before.

Yep, they trashed one of the few secular, modern states in the Islamic world, caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands, untold misery for millions, spawned the evil IS, maimed a new generation of western soldiers and made millionaires of thousands in the weapons industry.

Meanwhile, the religious dictatorship that actually produced and financed the terrorists was totally protected because America's elite have business dealing there.

[Yenn]

When you have got over that conspiracy theory have a look at the current one.

China engineered the covid virus and let it go to bring down the USA.

I don't know if there is such a theory as I don't watch them, but I guess there is. Anyway Donald believes it

[Old Koreelah]

When you have got over that conspiracy theory have a look at the current one.

China engineered the covid virus and let it go to bring down the USA.

I don't know if there is such a theory as I don't watch them, but I guess there is. Anyway Donald believes it

I doubt Donald believes anything, beyond his own infallibility. It's very convenient to blame the evil commies for the pandemic; it deflects attention from his collossal incompetence.

[kgwilson]

Deflection is the only thing he knows how to do as a malignant narcissist the only thing that matters is himself and he has demonstrated that he can do nothing else. The latest is telling all the religions to get back to mass congregations this weekend saying if the Governors refuse he will over rule them even though he can't. He tried this a few weeks ago and failed. Been the done that, he does not have the authority but as the CNN reported said, He can however create a lot of chaos.